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> Blue Porscheru Conversion, Subaru 2.5 SOHC NA with Suby Tranny
R_u_dd
post Jul 25 2015, 11:09 PM
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Blue Porscheru Conversion

I started this project back in May of 2014 and wanted to share the journey with my friends and family.
There's something appealing to people about taking a left-for-dead vehicle and bringing it back to life.
I hope this build thread is a bit different than the others. It's a Subaru conversion which is not as common.

I am/was a newbie. This is my first car restoration, if you can call it that.
My welds are not pretty, but I've improved and learned throughout this process.
This is a great car for a first restoration. It's light, simple, and very cool- mid engine with a targa top.

This is the plan-
We are starting with a 1971 tangerine 914 with light to moderate rust, nothing too serious.
The original engine was a 1.7. Like so many other 914's it ran but has been sitting for a long time.
The engine seems too far gone to try to rebuild it= lots of rust and corrosion.

Powerplant: 2003 Subaru Impreza TS 2.5 SOHC, Natuaral- No Turbo, Why? Plenty of Power for me and no turbo lag. See Engine Choices thread.
Transmission: Subaru 5MT 2003 Impreza TS
ECU from: 2003 Subaru Impreza TS
Electronics: Wiring Harness simplified by Small Car Performance
Axles: 944 axles and CV's with Subaru inside CV- 4 lug for now.
914 suspension.
No fender flares
Voltage Blue Metallic: (Honda color), Painted Sail Panels.

Before Pictures

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The Future Look- Concepts

The 914 visualizer, a very cool app.

Current Look:

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Contents

Axles
Blasting Glass Bead Videos
Battery Tray Area
Battery and Tray
Budget Scenarios
Brakes
Bumper - Valence
Clutch
Electronics
Engine Discussion
Engine Mount
Engine Work
Floor Pans and Engman Kit
Fuel Pump
Fuel Tank (Cleaning with Electrolysis)
Paint Prep and Metal Work
Paint Prep Continued
Radiator
Seats and Interior
Seats Re-upholstery Links
Transmission
Transmission Mount
Videos

This thread is for entertainment purposes only. I am not a certified mechanic.
There are many that have pioneered the suby conversion before me, but this
is my story.

Hope you enjoy this thread!

Chris

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Axles

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Subaru on top and 914 on the bottom. The Subaru is a 29 spline and the 914/bug axle is a 33 spline.

My axles will need to be shortened because the engine is set forward slightly from the designs of other cradles such as Ian's. I set the engine farther forward to avoid cutting the trunk and flipping the manifold (for now). Note that there is 4 inches of offset from the transmission to the wheel hubs.

There should be some bend in the axles and CV's for proper lubrication of the CV's, but how much is too much? According to the Blind Chicken, the maximum angle for the Type 1 CV (bug CV measures the same as the 914) is 12 Degrees. For this reason, I may have to go with the 944 CV's (22 degrees offset capability), on the 914 axles and do a 5 lug conversion while I am at it.

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Sawtooth shortened his axles to 18" from 20.25". When I called Dutchman, they suggested doing a mock up by cutting the Subaru axle off and using angle iron to splint the axles together, which would work fine if I had an extra axle to cut up. Anyone? I am going to have to mock up some temporary axles to make sure the CV's will handle the offset and to get the right measurements before I cut the axles down to size.

Otherwise, I am concerned about getting the measurements right for the axle length. One positive (with Dutchman) is that you don't need to send all the measurements if you have a sample Subaru axle end to use as an example of what you want, so the only real measurement you need is the axle length- with no other modifications (ie. 911/944 CV's). I would like to keep it simple and use the 914 axles and CV's if possible.

This is similar to what I plan to do here:

Subaru inner CV- 914 axle- 914 outer CV- 4 lug wheels (for now)

Update: The plan is to use 914 stub axles, Renegade conversion plate, 944 CV and axle, resplined on the inside for the Subaru CV to the 5MT transmission. The following discussion is me trying to learn what to do.

Axle Info and Threads:

Axle Info 101 from Blind Chicken

"Things I think I know about CV's and Axles"

Dutchman Axles

Corkus- Axle questions for a Subaru Tranny, Another Subaru conversion...

Axles Shortened in Subi Swap?

Angle of Articulation Bus Axles 944 vs 914


5 Lug Axle Conversion:


Sir Andy- Convert to real 5-lug using 944 CVs

Eric Shea- Easy 5-Lug Conversion - 911 Running Gear, For High Power Applications...

I went out and took some measurements with the 914 axles. It looks like I am close to 22 degrees which is the max for a 944 CV. (Update- At 12 degrees) Hmmm. This is a critical decision here. The 914 CV is supposed to max out at 12 degrees. So, I may have to find some 944 CV's but that is fine since it allows me to switch to a 5 lug wheel.

Take a look at these pictures. I am curious and need opinions here on this angle. The wheel and CV seem to turn without much friction, but apparently I am past the angle that these CV's can handle. If this angle is too steep (even if I go with the 944 CV), I have to stop here and redesign my cradle and likely cut the trunk.

What do you think?

More pix-

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The 944 axles and conversion plates have arrived. I purchased the plates from Renegade Hybrids. They are about a half inch thick and bolt into the 914 stub hub on one side and the 944 cv on the other. This gives a much stronger CV threshold and a larger angle of travel, now up to 22 degrees. This should prevent me from having to redo the engine cradle and flip the manifold.

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R_u_dd   Blue Porscheru Conversion   Jul 25 2015, 11:09 PM
R_u_dd   Favorite Subaru Conversion Threads: Subaru Engine...   Jul 25 2015, 11:56 PM
R_u_dd   Subaru Engine Choices - Notes from various posters...   Jul 26 2015, 12:52 AM
aircooledtechguy   Good stuff in here. Thanks. I look forward to wa...   Jul 26 2015, 06:42 AM
Andyrew   Great starter thread! Cant wait to see the wor...   Jul 26 2015, 08:03 AM
R_u_dd   Budget Planning 2015 costs A good friend told me ...   Jul 26 2015, 02:17 PM
mepstein   Paint for $1000 - ? Missing a "0"? ...   Jul 26 2015, 02:25 PM
R_u_dd   Paint for $1000 - ? Missing a "0"?...   Jul 26 2015, 03:35 PM
Andyrew   Paint for $1000 - ? Missing a "0"?...   Jul 27 2015, 09:40 AM
R_u_dd   Floor Pans One of the first tasks was to replace ...   Jul 26 2015, 03:21 PM
R_u_dd   Electronics When you think about it... it's ...   Jul 26 2015, 11:28 PM
76-914   :Qarl: Another frigging Subarite! Welcome to t...   Jul 27 2015, 05:58 PM
R_u_dd   :Qarl: Another frigging Subarite! Welcome to ...   Jul 27 2015, 06:53 PM
rhodyguy   Wow! Great thread. Warrants a trip to the ...   Jul 27 2015, 06:14 PM
Mike Bellis   Grafting two electrical systems is not that hard i...   Jul 27 2015, 07:04 PM
JRust   Just for a reference. I bought the Sawtooth build ...   Jul 27 2015, 07:50 PM
R_u_dd   Just for a reference. I bought the Sawtooth build...   Jul 29 2015, 08:28 AM
DBCooper   I would assume both engines would lose a proportio...   Jul 29 2015, 09:21 AM
Andyrew   Read the first half of my progress thread for pain...   Jul 28 2015, 08:11 AM
R_u_dd   Read the first half of my progress thread for pai...   Jul 29 2015, 08:31 AM
Andyrew   I really like your thread ([url=http://www.914w...   Jul 29 2015, 01:10 PM
R_u_dd   Blasting After hours of sanding and slow progress...   Jul 29 2015, 10:46 PM
R_u_dd   Engine Work Related Threads: Christmas in April ...   Jul 30 2015, 12:11 AM
mgp4591   Do you have the cast engine bracket or the other s...   Jul 30 2015, 12:28 AM
R_u_dd   Do you have the cast engine bracket or the other ...   Jul 30 2015, 10:18 PM
mgp4591   Do you have the cast engine bracket or the other...   Jul 30 2015, 10:29 PM
914forme   I thought I'd studied that thread over and o...   Aug 1 2015, 07:08 AM
DBCooper   :poke: If you read my thread, I think you will g...   Aug 1 2015, 07:55 AM
mgp4591   :poke: If you read my thread, I think you will ...   Aug 5 2015, 11:57 PM
DBCooper   Did you sell your Smallcar engine mount after you...   Aug 6 2015, 07:45 AM
mgp4591   Did you sell your Smallcar engine mount after yo...   Sep 26 2015, 01:59 PM
R_u_dd   [quote name='mgp4591' post='2217009' date='Jul 31...   Aug 1 2015, 11:19 AM
914forme   The Small Car mounts are pretty robust steel. If ...   Jul 30 2015, 11:19 AM
mgp4591   The Small Car mounts are pretty robust steel. If...   Jul 30 2015, 10:32 PM
sean_v8_914   that blue 914 pic is at my shop...many years ago. ...   Jul 30 2015, 12:53 PM
R_u_dd   that blue 914 pic is at my shop...many years ago....   Jul 30 2015, 10:31 PM
whitetwinturbo   Pictures! :coolpics:   Jul 30 2015, 12:55 PM
R_u_dd   Pictures! :coolpics: The blue car on post #...   Jul 30 2015, 10:29 PM
R_u_dd   Battery Tray Area Rehab Most people might conside...   Aug 1 2015, 12:52 AM
R_u_dd   Cool Videos Porsche 914-6 Race Practice At Targa ...   Aug 1 2015, 01:41 PM
R_u_dd   Electrolysis Gas Tank Cleaning. Like so many othe...   Aug 5 2015, 11:42 PM
R_u_dd   Paint Prep and Final Metal Work After the Bead Bl...   Sep 11 2015, 08:33 PM
DBCooper   You're doing great work. That's a really ...   Sep 11 2015, 09:00 PM
zambezi   should have fixed the rust on the inside wheel wel...   Sep 12 2015, 09:10 AM
R_u_dd   Engine Mount The inspiration for the engine mount...   Sep 26 2015, 11:41 AM
shoguneagle   HOW DID THIS THREAD ESCAPE ME? I thought I kinda ...   Sep 27 2015, 04:16 AM
R_u_dd   HOW DID THIS THREAD ESCAPE ME? I thought I kinda...   Sep 27 2015, 06:12 AM
R_u_dd   Radiator Some background and research: Radiator ...   Sep 27 2015, 07:20 AM
JRust   Wow that radiator does look really small. I've...   Sep 27 2015, 04:58 PM
R_u_dd   Wow that radiator does look really small. I'v...   Sep 27 2015, 05:03 PM
Chris H.   Wow that radiator does look really small. I'v...   Sep 27 2015, 07:25 PM
914forme   Griffen rates that rad at 600HP with their electri...   Sep 27 2015, 05:28 PM
R_u_dd   Griffen rates that rad at 600HP with their electr...   Sep 27 2015, 08:17 PM
Mike Bellis   I'm worried about your engine mount. My rotary...   Sep 27 2015, 07:36 PM
R_u_dd   I'm worried about your engine mount. My rotar...   Sep 27 2015, 08:16 PM
Mike Bellis   [quote name='Mike Bellis' post='2244152' date='Se...   Sep 27 2015, 08:33 PM
R_u_dd   Transmission Mount From the Subaru 5MT Transmissi...   Oct 10 2015, 12:48 PM
76-914   Smart move. :D Your moving right along. Looks lik...   Oct 10 2015, 06:02 PM
R_u_dd   Axles http://www.914world.com/bbs2/uploads_offsi...   Nov 14 2015, 05:48 PM
DBCooper   I'd say you're too far. You say it's ...   Nov 14 2015, 06:24 PM
R_u_dd   I'd say you're too far. You say it's...   Nov 14 2015, 09:04 PM
DBCooper   http://www.914world.com/bbs2/uploads_offsite/i255....   Nov 14 2015, 10:28 PM
R_u_dd   To know about max angles give Sway-a-Way a call....   Nov 14 2015, 11:37 PM
DBCooper   That's my son's car. It uses a Coldwater ...   Nov 15 2015, 08:16 AM
R_u_dd   Also a WRX but unfortunately the previous owner d...   Nov 15 2015, 09:40 AM
DBCooper   Also a WRX but unfortunately the previous owner ...   Nov 15 2015, 09:54 AM
R_u_dd   And those Sway-a-ways were later swapped out for ...   Nov 15 2015, 07:42 PM
76-914   :agree:   Nov 15 2015, 05:03 PM
R_u_dd   [size=3]Calculating the Angle of the CV joint. [u...   Nov 15 2015, 10:18 PM
R_u_dd   Bumper The idea with the bumper was to deflect ai...   Feb 13 2016, 04:12 PM
ahycaramba   I can't wait to see your finished product on t...   Feb 16 2016, 03:39 AM
R_u_dd   Seats and Interior After much deliberation, I hav...   Feb 13 2016, 04:59 PM
R_u_dd   Seats and Re-Upholstery info: Re-Upholstery-Auto...   Feb 13 2016, 09:54 PM
veekry9   I'm glad you like it. I drew this largemouth l...   Feb 14 2016, 12:48 PM
R_u_dd   Yes, I really like that look for the form and func...   Feb 14 2016, 04:31 PM
veekry9   https://www.gimp.org/ Some people can use a camer...   Feb 14 2016, 11:01 PM
R_u_dd   Paint Prep Continued... The metal work and prepar...   Feb 28 2016, 10:52 AM
914forme   Interesting fender cut outs, I like them   Mar 1 2016, 08:01 PM
R_u_dd   Yes the radiator vent holes. I figured that the tr...   Mar 2 2016, 11:40 PM
whitetwinturbo   :popcorn: :popcorn: :popcorn:   Mar 2 2016, 11:58 PM
R_u_dd   Painting Begins I can't wait to post these ph...   Mar 27 2016, 11:01 AM
R_u_dd   We got some paint on the panels yesterday and clea...   Apr 2 2016, 11:27 PM
ahycaramba   Great progress!!! Looking good!...   Apr 2 2016, 11:34 PM
R_u_dd   Great progress!!! Looking good!...   Apr 2 2016, 11:45 PM
whitetwinturbo   :popcorn: :popcorn: :popcorn:   Apr 3 2016, 01:46 PM
R_u_dd   The big reveal today. Scott finished the logo. H...   Apr 6 2016, 10:53 PM
914forme   The big reveal today. [center][img]http://www.91...   Apr 7 2016, 08:43 AM
whitetwinturbo   :headbanger: :headbanger: :headbanger:   Apr 6 2016, 11:15 PM
Andyrew   That looks great!!!   Apr 7 2016, 09:15 AM
R_u_dd   The painting is almost finished. We cut and buffe...   Apr 24 2016, 11:53 PM
R_u_dd   Rocker Panels (They look like a pair of skis, don...   Apr 25 2016, 09:50 PM
JRust   Love the blue bud. I even like the logo you made u...   Apr 25 2016, 10:07 PM
R_u_dd   Love the blue bud. I even like the logo you made ...   Apr 25 2016, 10:59 PM
JRust   Hey it's looking great man. I like the logo li...   Apr 25 2016, 11:29 PM
R_u_dd   Progress on the Blue Porscheru over the last coupl...   Jun 28 2016, 12:53 AM
falcor75   That looks great, love the badge details and the c...   Jun 28 2016, 01:12 AM
914forme   Cars coming together nicely :popcorn:   Jun 28 2016, 09:37 AM
R_u_dd   [b]Gauges, Gauges and More Gauges The original lo...   Oct 2 2016, 02:04 PM
76-914   [size=5][b]Gauges, Gauges and More Gauges The or...   Oct 3 2016, 07:59 AM
veekry9   Very nice indeed. :D / I like this tre...   Oct 2 2016, 02:33 PM
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