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post Dec 31 2015, 08:43 AM
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This thread is meant to help those implementing LED turnsignals on their 914.

Standard flasher relays were designed to flash 2 standard bulbs (21W each) for turnsignals or 4 standard bulbs with 4-ways on.

LED replacements burn between 2W and 5W and electrically may not behave at all like a standard bulb. The LED replacements can cause all kinds of weird things like hyperflash (2x normal flash rate), dash indicators do not work, or the the flasher relay does nothing at all.

The 914 flasher is different for early cars 70-73 than later 74+ mainly because of the tach indicators. Early cars have individual L and R indicators and the 74+ have a single L+R indicator. Both are handled differently by the flasher.

There are LED-compatible flashers generally available at your FLAPS which are plug-in but not totally function compatible with the 914 standard flasher. The functional issue revolves around the 4th terminal which the 914 uses to activate the dash indicators.

The aftermarket flasher relays are EP26 (4 terminal) and EP36 (3 terminal). I've seen these at Pep Boys, Autozone, and Advance Auto to name a few FLAPS, usually for less than $15.

I'll detail the differences between early and late cars, as well as EP26 and EP36 in the next few posts.

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post Jan 1 2016, 06:33 PM
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'74+ 914 with single L/R dash indicator.

This flasher is an issue when changing to LED turnsignals. Notice the schematic below where the 4th terminal on the flasher relay is called C or C2. The C/C2 terminal is energized again with a second relay.

The relay will pull in only when the heavy current of at least 2 turnsignal bulbs (front and rear) and flash the L/R indicator. When the brake warning light is on, the bulb passes very low current and will not pull in the second relay and will not flash the L/R dash indicator.

When changing to LED turnsignals, the current from the turnsignals is now very low compared to the standard bulbs. Thus the second relay will not pull in and the L/R dash indicator will not flash with the turnsignals. There is no easy solution to fix this.

The EP26 is pin-compatible but the small sample of EP26's I've looked, the C/C2 terminal was not connected to anything.

There are a couple of solutions although neither are simple. The first solution is to change tach bodies from late tach to early tach. I did this in my '74 but I did it to get the separate L and R indicators. I really don't like the single L/R indicator. I swapped out the tach guts so all I used was the tach body.

Another solution is to take the EP26 apart and wire the C/C2 to power the terminal when the relay flashes. The downside of this approach is the single L/R dash indicator will flash even when the brake warning light is active.

Another solution is to power the single dash indicator from the L and R turnsignal wires. 2 diodes would be needed to isolate the L and R turnsignals from each other. The standard flasher can be used in this case.

So for this configuration, there is no easy, simple answer. Any ideas on solutions would be greatly appreciated.


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Spoke   Making Your Flasher Relay LED Compatible   Dec 31 2015, 08:43 AM
falcor75   Are you still making your led lights Spoke? I...   Dec 31 2015, 09:03 AM
jmill   Are you still making your led lights Spoke? I...   Dec 31 2015, 09:56 AM
Chris H.   Could you cover converting the single indicator to...   Dec 31 2015, 10:00 AM
Spoke   Could you cover converting the single indicator t...   Dec 31 2015, 10:33 AM
Spoke   '70-'73 914 with separate L and R dash ind...   Dec 31 2015, 10:25 AM
porsche913b_sp   '70-'73 914 with separate L and R dash in...   Dec 31 2015, 09:35 PM
Spoke   I have a spare early flasher relay I can donate to...   Jan 1 2016, 05:33 PM
Spoke   '74+ 914 with single L/R dash indicator. This...   Jan 1 2016, 06:33 PM
peteyd   Awesome! Giving credit where credit is due, t...   Aug 2 2018, 07:41 PM
Mark Henry   Very cool, I made my own flasher for my 67 bug. It...   Aug 12 2018, 04:16 PM
Spoke   Continuing the discussion of the early 914 ('7...   Aug 14 2018, 09:57 PM
Spoke   When LED turnsignals are installed, funny things h...   Aug 14 2018, 10:17 PM
ClayPerrine   When LED turnsignals are installed, funny things ...   Aug 16 2018, 01:03 PM
Vacca Rabite   I wish I had seen this earlier. Now that I've...   Aug 16 2018, 07:32 AM
worn   I wish I had seen this earlier. Now that I'v...   Aug 16 2018, 02:49 PM
worn   Nominate as a classic. LEDs may not be a flash in...   Aug 16 2018, 02:53 PM
tmc914   This is helpful. Changed the lamp for the m/c dash...   Aug 16 2018, 05:41 PM
Spoke   This is helpful. Changed the lamp for the m/c das...   Aug 16 2018, 09:51 PM
Gatornapper   Spoke - All LED's in my '76 914 and all a...   Mar 22 2023, 07:11 AM
GregAmy   All LED's in my '76 914 and all are worki...   Dec 15 2023, 12:54 PM
Gatornapper   Greg - sorry I just caught this. We think alike. ...   Jan 3 2024, 06:50 PM
GregAmy   Actually discovered that the LEDs in front the br...   Jan 4 2024, 10:19 AM
Gatornapper   MY BAD! All works fine on my 914. It's m...   Jan 3 2024, 06:52 PM
914werke   So is this applicable to the late Tach with combin...   Aug 16 2018, 08:58 PM
Spoke   So is this applicable to the late Tach with combi...   Aug 16 2018, 09:39 PM
FourBlades   I finally applied the jumper fix described by Spok...   Dec 14 2021, 08:29 PM
Robarabian   Second nomination for Classic Thread.   Dec 14 2021, 09:38 PM
barefoot   Here is Spoky's mod for the late single dash i...   Mar 21 2023, 07:23 AM
Geezer914   Converted the EP26 flasher. Turn signals work fin...   Mar 22 2023, 07:28 AM
rfinegan   Watching...my 75 is now flashing with the parking ...   Dec 15 2023, 02:02 PM
Spoke   Watching...my 75 is now flashing with the parking...   Dec 15 2023, 05:17 PM
VaccaRabite   Moved this thread to the Classics forum   Mar 22 2023, 08:27 AM
Red76   This link to show Spoke’s easy mod works. I just...   Dec 15 2023, 11:56 AM
rfinegan   Thanks Spoke...good write up   Dec 15 2023, 06:48 PM


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