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> Rebuild a 2.7L or 3.0L six motor, which is cheaper?
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post Feb 15 2016, 06:41 PM
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Which /6 motor is cheaper to rebuild? 2.7L or the 3.0L?

1. Assume core motor is in good condtion and no crazy findings when you tear it down.
2. Assume you are building the motor for longevity
3. You are putting this in a 914/6 conversion (was /4)
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post Feb 17 2016, 05:49 AM
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But DIY can keep cost down especially on a stock rebuild.
But if you're thinking performance below will give you idea on what's involved with a hot street build. Be clear my engine is just a "mild" build, "wild" could double the cost...easy.


I'd say I have $11K into my engine, did all the machining myself (friend helped on some of the hard bits) except the rods and balance. Got my cylinders replated through LN. Waited for deals on some things and a trade on my carbs and dizzy so they would add another $3.5K.
BTW during the build I was cold offered $5K for the Mahle RS piston and cylinder set, my cost was $2600 for piston and plating.

I wouldn't sell it at firesale for less than $25K, really I doubt I'd sell unless it was an offer of at least $30K USD.
But then I have no interest in selling it, it's not for sale.

Below is the build list to give you an idea of what's involved and I 'd say I have more like 120+ hours labour into this engine.

Engine build sheet for 3.0 1974 914 six conversion

Engine 3.0L, 70.4mm X 95mm, 10.1: 1 CR, Twin Plug

Case, 1979, 3.0, serial # *6399XXX, 930/13, 930.101.104.4R, Supertec head studs
Crank, stock, std/std, polished and magnafluxed, converted to CW distributor drive gear
Rods, stock, rebuilt big and small end, new bushings, ARP bolts and nuts
Flywheel stock, with custom 914-901 adapter ring, CSP 228mm bus HD pressure plate
Full engine balance, pressure plate and adapter ring balanced separately
Main bearings, new glyco, DFL (Dry Film Lube) coated
#8 Main bearing, good used original Porsche, DFL coated
Rod bearings, new glyco, DFL coated
Intermediate shaft bearings, new Porsche, DFL coated
Gasket set, new nose and rear main seal, Supertec sealant kit
Pump, stock blueprinted and DFL coated , cooler stock 911 modified to 914/6 spec
Pistons, Mahle, new, 3.0 RS, DFL coated skirts, ceramic coated tops, Goetze rings
Cylinders, stock 3.0 nickasil, replated Milenium/LN engineering, stock gaskets, .025mm base gasket
Heads, 3.0 big port, minor port work, twin plug
Valves, stock size, exhaust new TRW sodium, intake new AE
Valve springs, Eibach race, retainers early stock, keepers stock modified
Ceramic chambers and exhaust ports
Cams, WEB-CAM, 120/104, set at 5.2mm/.10 lash, 964 cores modified to 901 spec
Towers, spray bars R&R, tapped and cleaned, rockers resurfaced, RSR rocker shaft seals
Chains, new IWIS, new cam sprockets, keys and pins
Tensioners, hydraulic, no fail modification
906 style cylinder cooling deflectors
Cooler, stock, 3.0, modified for 914


Carburetors, Weber 40mm IDA, rebuilt, new carb kits, 34mm venturies, 135 main jets, F3 emulsion tubes, 180 air correction, 55 idle, Ported stock manifolds, custom phenolic spacers.
K&N filters and rain hats, Weber linkage
Carter fuel pump

Distributor, Twin Plug, Patrick/Jarvis, CW, MSD internals, uses Jaguar XJS-12 cap (1989-1996),
Plug wires custom labled twin plug, Patrick Motorsports
Ignition, MSD 6AL, twin MSD high vibration coils, max RPM 6800
Spark plugs, NGK BPR5ES (BPR6ES also available for tuning)

Headers, 914, 1-1/2” MSDS, ceramic coated
Add the fan/alt, shroud, custom wire harness, etc...

Bought most of the parts 4-5 years ago when the Canadian buck was at par, start pricing that puppy out at today's prices and your butthole will pucker (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)
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boxsterfan   Rebuild a 2.7L or 3.0L six motor   Feb 15 2016, 06:41 PM
jcd914   3.0L The Aluminum case of the 3.0L won't kill ...   Feb 15 2016, 06:53 PM
bigkensteele   3.0L The Aluminum case of the 3.0L won't kill...   Feb 15 2016, 08:01 PM
boxsterfan   3.0L The Aluminum case of the 3.0L won't kil...   Feb 15 2016, 08:08 PM
mepstein   [quote name='bigkensteele' post='2303577' date='F...   Feb 15 2016, 08:42 PM
Mark Henry   I'd say about the same, but there's so man...   Feb 15 2016, 07:10 PM
boxsterfan   What's a good price these days for a 2.7L vs 3...   Feb 15 2016, 07:15 PM
worn   What's a good price these days for a 2.7L vs ...   Feb 16 2016, 09:54 AM
Steve   Lots of pro's and cons 2.7 Pro's Magnesium...   Feb 15 2016, 07:40 PM
jimkelly   unless money is no object, don't stretch your ...   Feb 15 2016, 08:07 PM
Dave_Darling   Which /6 motor is cheaper to rebuild? 2.7L or the ...   Feb 15 2016, 08:15 PM
396   Which /6 motor is cheaper to rebuild? 2.7L or the...   Feb 15 2016, 09:09 PM
jimkelly   a totally tight car with 115-125 hp would be plent...   Feb 15 2016, 08:24 PM
boxsterfan   a totally tight car with 115-125 hp would be plen...   Feb 15 2016, 08:33 PM
Porschef   a totally tight car with 115-125 hp would be ple...   Feb 16 2016, 09:24 AM
BeatNavy   My intentions had been to have a 2270 built with ...   Feb 16 2016, 09:41 AM
porschetub   a totally tight car with 115-125 hp would be plen...   Feb 15 2016, 11:38 PM
bigkensteele   If you don't already have Wayne Dempsey's ...   Feb 15 2016, 08:29 PM
Justinp71   If you don't already have Wayne Dempsey's...   Feb 15 2016, 10:41 PM
mepstein   Just like our cars, buy the best one you can. The ...   Feb 15 2016, 08:36 PM
larryM   QUOTE O.P: "Anywhere near 200HP will be fine ...   Feb 15 2016, 09:17 PM
Steve   I lucked out!!! Back in 2000 a wrecki...   Feb 15 2016, 09:22 PM
Mark Henry   Just to keep it honest.... <_< Unless you h...   Feb 15 2016, 09:31 PM
mepstein   Just to keep it honest.... <_< Unless you ...   Feb 15 2016, 09:45 PM
Mark Henry   Just to keep it honest.... <_< Unless you...   Feb 15 2016, 09:48 PM
mepstein   [quote name='mepstein' post='2303611' date='Feb 1...   Feb 15 2016, 09:52 PM
Steve   Just to keep it honest.... <_< Unless you ...   Feb 15 2016, 09:52 PM
mepstein   Just to keep it honest.... <_< Unless you...   Feb 15 2016, 09:55 PM
Justinp71   Just to keep it honest.... <_< Unless you...   Feb 15 2016, 10:43 PM
Steve   [quote name='Steve' post='2303614' date='Feb 15 2...   Feb 15 2016, 10:55 PM
Justinp71   [quote name='Steve' post='2303614' date='Feb 15 ...   Feb 16 2016, 12:00 AM
Mark Henry   [quote name='Steve' post='2303614' date='Feb 15 ...   Feb 16 2016, 09:48 AM
mepstein   [quote name='Steve' post='2303627' date='Feb 15 2...   Feb 16 2016, 10:49 AM
mepstein   I once heard the saying - the deal of a lifetime c...   Feb 15 2016, 09:54 PM
Justinp71   for 165-180 hp is a n/a subaru motor the most cost...   Feb 15 2016, 11:56 PM
JmuRiz   I have a supposedly decent 2.7 core...I'll nee...   Feb 16 2016, 08:52 AM
Justinp71   I have a supposedly decent 2.7 core...I'll ne...   Feb 16 2016, 03:30 PM
J P Stein   Built properly, a 2,7L is a decent motor. MY old 2...   Feb 16 2016, 11:35 AM
Mark Henry   We were putting a 3.2 on an engine stand one day...   Feb 16 2016, 11:53 AM
396   One thing is you can't do twin plug with the ...   Feb 16 2016, 12:04 PM
Mark Henry   That is performance build right? I'm not sure...   Feb 16 2016, 12:11 PM
Justinp71   I'd also ask yourself what kind of motor do yo...   Feb 16 2016, 12:20 PM
Mark Henry   I'd also ask yourself what kind of motor do y...   Feb 16 2016, 12:47 PM
jimkelly   i'd sure like to see someone else do a mcmark ...   Feb 16 2016, 12:41 PM
Mark Henry   i'd sure like to see someone else do a mcmark...   Feb 16 2016, 12:45 PM
r_towle   [quote name='jimkelly' post='2303771' date='Feb 1...   Feb 16 2016, 03:48 PM
Mark Henry   [quote name='jimkelly' post='2303771' date='Feb ...   Feb 16 2016, 04:22 PM
jimkelly   i hear you. but i see it as a 175-200 hp thread, ...   Feb 16 2016, 02:56 PM
396   i hear you. but i see it as a 175-200 hp thread,...   Feb 17 2016, 12:31 AM
mb911   I had a 74 2.7 pre thermal reactors with 50k on it...   Feb 16 2016, 05:07 PM
Justinp71   OK from Wayne's Book (pricing is 15 years old?...   Feb 16 2016, 10:51 PM
raynekat   OK from Wayne's Book (pricing is 15 years old...   Feb 16 2016, 11:10 PM
396   OK from Wayne's Book (pricing is 15 years ol...   Feb 17 2016, 12:38 AM
raynekat   One thing I forgot about if you're going to do...   Feb 16 2016, 11:19 PM
Justinp71   I do agree it's not a cheap or easy task. Ther...   Feb 16 2016, 11:26 PM
jcd914   Many machine shops are not going to be equipped to...   Feb 17 2016, 12:28 AM
Mark Henry   :agree: But DIY can keep cost down especially on...   Feb 17 2016, 05:49 AM
Mark Henry   One thing I forgot about if you're going to d...   Feb 17 2016, 06:13 AM
jimkelly   boxsterfan, what kind of max budget for engine re...   Feb 17 2016, 07:25 AM
Luke M   I like Mark have built a 2.7 rs spec engine and cu...   Feb 17 2016, 07:28 AM
Mark Henry   Just an FYI I think I know of a 3.2 that's com...   Feb 17 2016, 08:33 AM
J P Stein   Well, golly..... Spend a little time on the Pelica...   Feb 17 2016, 09:03 AM
JmuRiz   But then we'd have to deal with Canadians :D A...   Feb 17 2016, 09:03 AM
Mark Henry   But then we'd have to deal with Canadians :D ...   Feb 17 2016, 09:26 AM
Mark Henry   But then we'd have to deal with Canadians :D...   Feb 17 2016, 11:48 AM
Catorse   I have about 18K in my unfinsihed 2.7 (still waiti...   Feb 17 2016, 10:28 AM
raynekat   I have about 18K in my unfinsihed 2.7 (still wait...   Feb 17 2016, 11:47 AM
billh1963   Just to add some recent real world experience, her...   Feb 17 2016, 12:50 PM
Justinp71   Just to add some recent real world experience, he...   Feb 17 2016, 01:39 PM
billh1963   Just to add some recent real world experience, h...   Feb 17 2016, 01:55 PM
mb911   Prices have gone up without a doubt bearings are a...   Feb 17 2016, 01:16 PM
Mark Henry   That said if you diy you can build it without tak...   Feb 17 2016, 01:54 PM
DBCooper   Good God, a grand for bearings? That's Lifest...   Feb 17 2016, 01:34 PM
396   I'm sure this tread has opened many folks eyes...   Feb 17 2016, 01:49 PM
J P Stein   Note the Mahle PCs in the previous pics. 10:1 comp...   Feb 17 2016, 08:38 PM
Mark Henry   Note the Mahle PCs in the previous pics. 10:1 com...   Feb 17 2016, 09:44 PM
mepstein   2.7's get pricey if you are ditching the cis a...   Feb 17 2016, 09:01 PM
396   JP, I've always been impressed with your thou...   Feb 17 2016, 09:12 PM
J P Stein   JP, I've always been impressed with your tho...   Feb 18 2016, 10:00 AM
boxsterfan   Wow what a thread!!! Maybe I should c...   Feb 17 2016, 10:37 PM
BeatNavy   Wow what a thread!!! Maybe I should ...   Feb 18 2016, 10:29 AM
boxsterfan   Wow what a thread!!! Maybe I should...   Feb 18 2016, 10:53 AM
billh1963   Wow what a thread!!! Maybe I should ...   Feb 18 2016, 12:04 PM
J P Stein   Nowdays, Subie is the way to go IMO. MY ex-co-driv...   Feb 18 2016, 11:22 AM
boxsterfan   Nowdays, Subie is the way to go IMO. MY ex-co-dri...   Feb 18 2016, 11:25 AM
396   Nowdays, Subie is the way to go IMO. MY ex-co-dri...   Feb 18 2016, 11:46 PM
J P Stein   Hay, it's just a shitbox :D   Feb 18 2016, 11:30 AM
Mark Henry   Ho-Kay then .... moving along.... Another rebuild...   Feb 18 2016, 12:21 PM
Mark Henry   Turn up the sound :wub: qPEaNcOiLi8   Feb 18 2016, 12:28 PM
billh1963   Turn up the sound :wub: qPEaNcOiLi8 :drivi...   Feb 18 2016, 12:50 PM
Justinp71   Turn up the sound :wub: qPEaNcOiLi8 This ca...   Feb 18 2016, 11:34 PM
Justinp71   If you want fast and less expensive subaru or LS1 ...   Feb 18 2016, 01:25 PM
Mark Henry   As for P&C's you can purchase JE pistons...   Feb 18 2016, 03:39 PM
billh1963   Some good threads on JE pistons.... I read a lot b...   Feb 18 2016, 03:55 PM
Mark Henry   Some good threads on JE pistons.... I read a lot ...   Feb 18 2016, 05:02 PM
Catorse   The question of value came up earlier in the threa...   Feb 18 2016, 05:52 PM
ThePaintedMan   ...and for many of us that is a dream we share. Bu...   Feb 18 2016, 06:27 PM
Mark Garriott   When I hear of 5 digit air-cooled 6 rebuilds, I st...   Feb 19 2016, 11:02 AM
Mark Henry   When I hear of 5 digit air-cooled 6 rebuilds, I s...   Feb 19 2016, 11:33 AM
Catorse   LOL, GT3 motor. That would cost you 35K minimum. G...   Feb 19 2016, 08:09 PM
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