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> Rebuild a 2.7L or 3.0L six motor, which is cheaper?
boxsterfan
post Feb 15 2016, 06:41 PM
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Which /6 motor is cheaper to rebuild? 2.7L or the 3.0L?

1. Assume core motor is in good condtion and no crazy findings when you tear it down.
2. Assume you are building the motor for longevity
3. You are putting this in a 914/6 conversion (was /4)
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post Feb 17 2016, 07:28 AM
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I like Mark have built a 2.7 rs spec engine and currently doing a 83 3.0 for my brothers 914.
I can tell you this, my brother got a sweet deal on the 3.0. The po was upgrading to a 3.6 and the 3.0 was a running engine per the shop doing the swap. If you look around like we did there's deals to be had. With that said both engines had there fair share of problems. On the 3.0 it was resealed by the shop doing the swap and had pressure fed tensioners installed at the same time. I started to check the 3.0 over and figured I'd better retorque the head studs. That came to an end fast after I snapped off a lower stud. It did start to take the torque but it didn't feel right then snap. Long story short apart it came. So far the main difference in the two builds is the machine shop cost. My 2.7 had a linebore to standard , shuffle pins, case savers on all headstuds/case through chain stud/ trans mount studs, spigot faces machined flat, all that work was done at Ollie's machine ( go to their website to view the cost). That was not a cheap machine shop bill but it needed to be done. I had a local shop polish and inspect the crank, install new rod wrist pin bushings, and clean a few other misc parts. The same shop removed one of the snapped off head studs in the 3.0, polished the crank , inspected the rods, cleaned the case, cam towers, and chain boxes. Once the case on both engines where sealed up the prices seamed to be close on other parts. The 3.0 parts seam to be a little bit higher in cost. Both engines got replated nikasil cylinders and new je pistons. The added cost to the 3.0 came when we went to buy big port heads. They need to be sent out for a rebuild yet but total cost once done is $1300.00 on heads alone. Cams/rockers need to be sent out at a cost of $700.00. Based on what is or is being done on both engines the 3.0 is still well under cost of the 2.7. If I had to do it again I'd opt for a 3.0 for sure .
Both engines are getting the same induction, ignition, exhaust so the big expense comes down to machine shop repairs.
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boxsterfan   Rebuild a 2.7L or 3.0L six motor   Feb 15 2016, 06:41 PM
jcd914   3.0L The Aluminum case of the 3.0L won't kill ...   Feb 15 2016, 06:53 PM
bigkensteele   3.0L The Aluminum case of the 3.0L won't kill...   Feb 15 2016, 08:01 PM
boxsterfan   3.0L The Aluminum case of the 3.0L won't kil...   Feb 15 2016, 08:08 PM
mepstein   [quote name='bigkensteele' post='2303577' date='F...   Feb 15 2016, 08:42 PM
Mark Henry   I'd say about the same, but there's so man...   Feb 15 2016, 07:10 PM
boxsterfan   What's a good price these days for a 2.7L vs 3...   Feb 15 2016, 07:15 PM
worn   What's a good price these days for a 2.7L vs ...   Feb 16 2016, 09:54 AM
Steve   Lots of pro's and cons 2.7 Pro's Magnesium...   Feb 15 2016, 07:40 PM
jimkelly   unless money is no object, don't stretch your ...   Feb 15 2016, 08:07 PM
Dave_Darling   Which /6 motor is cheaper to rebuild? 2.7L or the ...   Feb 15 2016, 08:15 PM
396   Which /6 motor is cheaper to rebuild? 2.7L or the...   Feb 15 2016, 09:09 PM
jimkelly   a totally tight car with 115-125 hp would be plent...   Feb 15 2016, 08:24 PM
boxsterfan   a totally tight car with 115-125 hp would be plen...   Feb 15 2016, 08:33 PM
Porschef   a totally tight car with 115-125 hp would be ple...   Feb 16 2016, 09:24 AM
BeatNavy   My intentions had been to have a 2270 built with ...   Feb 16 2016, 09:41 AM
porschetub   a totally tight car with 115-125 hp would be plen...   Feb 15 2016, 11:38 PM
bigkensteele   If you don't already have Wayne Dempsey's ...   Feb 15 2016, 08:29 PM
Justinp71   If you don't already have Wayne Dempsey's...   Feb 15 2016, 10:41 PM
mepstein   Just like our cars, buy the best one you can. The ...   Feb 15 2016, 08:36 PM
larryM   QUOTE O.P: "Anywhere near 200HP will be fine ...   Feb 15 2016, 09:17 PM
Steve   I lucked out!!! Back in 2000 a wrecki...   Feb 15 2016, 09:22 PM
Mark Henry   Just to keep it honest.... <_< Unless you h...   Feb 15 2016, 09:31 PM
mepstein   Just to keep it honest.... <_< Unless you ...   Feb 15 2016, 09:45 PM
Mark Henry   Just to keep it honest.... <_< Unless you...   Feb 15 2016, 09:48 PM
mepstein   [quote name='mepstein' post='2303611' date='Feb 1...   Feb 15 2016, 09:52 PM
Steve   Just to keep it honest.... <_< Unless you ...   Feb 15 2016, 09:52 PM
mepstein   Just to keep it honest.... <_< Unless you...   Feb 15 2016, 09:55 PM
Justinp71   Just to keep it honest.... <_< Unless you...   Feb 15 2016, 10:43 PM
Steve   [quote name='Steve' post='2303614' date='Feb 15 2...   Feb 15 2016, 10:55 PM
Justinp71   [quote name='Steve' post='2303614' date='Feb 15 ...   Feb 16 2016, 12:00 AM
Mark Henry   [quote name='Steve' post='2303614' date='Feb 15 ...   Feb 16 2016, 09:48 AM
mepstein   [quote name='Steve' post='2303627' date='Feb 15 2...   Feb 16 2016, 10:49 AM
mepstein   I once heard the saying - the deal of a lifetime c...   Feb 15 2016, 09:54 PM
Justinp71   for 165-180 hp is a n/a subaru motor the most cost...   Feb 15 2016, 11:56 PM
JmuRiz   I have a supposedly decent 2.7 core...I'll nee...   Feb 16 2016, 08:52 AM
Justinp71   I have a supposedly decent 2.7 core...I'll ne...   Feb 16 2016, 03:30 PM
J P Stein   Built properly, a 2,7L is a decent motor. MY old 2...   Feb 16 2016, 11:35 AM
Mark Henry   We were putting a 3.2 on an engine stand one day...   Feb 16 2016, 11:53 AM
396   One thing is you can't do twin plug with the ...   Feb 16 2016, 12:04 PM
Mark Henry   That is performance build right? I'm not sure...   Feb 16 2016, 12:11 PM
Justinp71   I'd also ask yourself what kind of motor do yo...   Feb 16 2016, 12:20 PM
Mark Henry   I'd also ask yourself what kind of motor do y...   Feb 16 2016, 12:47 PM
jimkelly   i'd sure like to see someone else do a mcmark ...   Feb 16 2016, 12:41 PM
Mark Henry   i'd sure like to see someone else do a mcmark...   Feb 16 2016, 12:45 PM
r_towle   [quote name='jimkelly' post='2303771' date='Feb 1...   Feb 16 2016, 03:48 PM
Mark Henry   [quote name='jimkelly' post='2303771' date='Feb ...   Feb 16 2016, 04:22 PM
jimkelly   i hear you. but i see it as a 175-200 hp thread, ...   Feb 16 2016, 02:56 PM
396   i hear you. but i see it as a 175-200 hp thread,...   Feb 17 2016, 12:31 AM
mb911   I had a 74 2.7 pre thermal reactors with 50k on it...   Feb 16 2016, 05:07 PM
Justinp71   OK from Wayne's Book (pricing is 15 years old?...   Feb 16 2016, 10:51 PM
raynekat   OK from Wayne's Book (pricing is 15 years old...   Feb 16 2016, 11:10 PM
396   OK from Wayne's Book (pricing is 15 years ol...   Feb 17 2016, 12:38 AM
raynekat   One thing I forgot about if you're going to do...   Feb 16 2016, 11:19 PM
Justinp71   I do agree it's not a cheap or easy task. Ther...   Feb 16 2016, 11:26 PM
jcd914   Many machine shops are not going to be equipped to...   Feb 17 2016, 12:28 AM
Mark Henry   :agree: But DIY can keep cost down especially on...   Feb 17 2016, 05:49 AM
Mark Henry   One thing I forgot about if you're going to d...   Feb 17 2016, 06:13 AM
jimkelly   boxsterfan, what kind of max budget for engine re...   Feb 17 2016, 07:25 AM
Luke M   I like Mark have built a 2.7 rs spec engine and cu...   Feb 17 2016, 07:28 AM
Mark Henry   Just an FYI I think I know of a 3.2 that's com...   Feb 17 2016, 08:33 AM
J P Stein   Well, golly..... Spend a little time on the Pelica...   Feb 17 2016, 09:03 AM
JmuRiz   But then we'd have to deal with Canadians :D A...   Feb 17 2016, 09:03 AM
Mark Henry   But then we'd have to deal with Canadians :D ...   Feb 17 2016, 09:26 AM
Mark Henry   But then we'd have to deal with Canadians :D...   Feb 17 2016, 11:48 AM
Catorse   I have about 18K in my unfinsihed 2.7 (still waiti...   Feb 17 2016, 10:28 AM
raynekat   I have about 18K in my unfinsihed 2.7 (still wait...   Feb 17 2016, 11:47 AM
billh1963   Just to add some recent real world experience, her...   Feb 17 2016, 12:50 PM
Justinp71   Just to add some recent real world experience, he...   Feb 17 2016, 01:39 PM
billh1963   Just to add some recent real world experience, h...   Feb 17 2016, 01:55 PM
mb911   Prices have gone up without a doubt bearings are a...   Feb 17 2016, 01:16 PM
Mark Henry   That said if you diy you can build it without tak...   Feb 17 2016, 01:54 PM
DBCooper   Good God, a grand for bearings? That's Lifest...   Feb 17 2016, 01:34 PM
396   I'm sure this tread has opened many folks eyes...   Feb 17 2016, 01:49 PM
J P Stein   Note the Mahle PCs in the previous pics. 10:1 comp...   Feb 17 2016, 08:38 PM
Mark Henry   Note the Mahle PCs in the previous pics. 10:1 com...   Feb 17 2016, 09:44 PM
mepstein   2.7's get pricey if you are ditching the cis a...   Feb 17 2016, 09:01 PM
396   JP, I've always been impressed with your thou...   Feb 17 2016, 09:12 PM
J P Stein   JP, I've always been impressed with your tho...   Feb 18 2016, 10:00 AM
boxsterfan   Wow what a thread!!! Maybe I should c...   Feb 17 2016, 10:37 PM
BeatNavy   Wow what a thread!!! Maybe I should ...   Feb 18 2016, 10:29 AM
boxsterfan   Wow what a thread!!! Maybe I should...   Feb 18 2016, 10:53 AM
billh1963   Wow what a thread!!! Maybe I should ...   Feb 18 2016, 12:04 PM
J P Stein   Nowdays, Subie is the way to go IMO. MY ex-co-driv...   Feb 18 2016, 11:22 AM
boxsterfan   Nowdays, Subie is the way to go IMO. MY ex-co-dri...   Feb 18 2016, 11:25 AM
396   Nowdays, Subie is the way to go IMO. MY ex-co-dri...   Feb 18 2016, 11:46 PM
J P Stein   Hay, it's just a shitbox :D   Feb 18 2016, 11:30 AM
Mark Henry   Ho-Kay then .... moving along.... Another rebuild...   Feb 18 2016, 12:21 PM
Mark Henry   Turn up the sound :wub: qPEaNcOiLi8   Feb 18 2016, 12:28 PM
billh1963   Turn up the sound :wub: qPEaNcOiLi8 :drivi...   Feb 18 2016, 12:50 PM
Justinp71   Turn up the sound :wub: qPEaNcOiLi8 This ca...   Feb 18 2016, 11:34 PM
Justinp71   If you want fast and less expensive subaru or LS1 ...   Feb 18 2016, 01:25 PM
Mark Henry   As for P&C's you can purchase JE pistons...   Feb 18 2016, 03:39 PM
billh1963   Some good threads on JE pistons.... I read a lot b...   Feb 18 2016, 03:55 PM
Mark Henry   Some good threads on JE pistons.... I read a lot ...   Feb 18 2016, 05:02 PM
Catorse   The question of value came up earlier in the threa...   Feb 18 2016, 05:52 PM
ThePaintedMan   ...and for many of us that is a dream we share. Bu...   Feb 18 2016, 06:27 PM
Mark Garriott   When I hear of 5 digit air-cooled 6 rebuilds, I st...   Feb 19 2016, 11:02 AM
Mark Henry   When I hear of 5 digit air-cooled 6 rebuilds, I s...   Feb 19 2016, 11:33 AM
Catorse   LOL, GT3 motor. That would cost you 35K minimum. G...   Feb 19 2016, 08:09 PM
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