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> Ignition System: Cranking very well but won't start 75 1.8FI, Fixed: Major concern Ignitor and #3 fuel injector. :THANKS TIM!
ndfrigi
post Feb 17 2016, 04:08 PM
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Need help diagnose from members!

Well, last saturday Feb. 13 I joined fellow members at the Aliso Viejo Cars and Coffee which is about 30 miles one way. After the event, drove home and for less than 2.5 miles away from home at a traffic light, my tachometer is bouncing between 2.5k to 3k rpm (sorry not 3.5k to 4k rpm on what I have said on the other thread). But the actual is pretty much on normal idle of less than 1k rpm. When about to go on green light, engine died. Tried to start the engine but it is just cranking (cranking very well), but the engine won't engage.

Some good members here already mentioned about ignition circuit. Well today, I was able to checked and opened the rotor cap, and I found out that I have/had Pertronix Electronic Ignitor which I already forgot since the last time I opened it last 2011 (Since the engine is running very well after I was able to make it run after fixing it from the time I bought. I haven't open it since then. I even bought lately a spare of contact points and condenser to replace it soon).

So a friend of mine was here this morning and asked him to start the engine and try touching at the base cover of my front mounted fuel pump and I don't feel any vibration. So we tried to unplug fuel hose from the SS engine tunnel lines which is a direct supply line from fuel pump to engine bay before the fuel injector line. We did crank the engine but no fuel is spitting out from the line.

So is it fuel pump issue I have?

In addition, a member also mentioned about the fuel pump relay from the relay board. But after opening my relay board cover. I noticed there is some wiring that was changed/modified. No round relay for the fuel pump terminal.


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post Feb 19 2016, 06:51 PM
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Full of resistance? What did the meter say exactly?

We need to rectify the issue with the relay board, but it can be done at a later time. The fact that the airflow meter does engage the fuel pump is a good sign. The next step is to see if the fuel delivery is the problem with the no start condition. Either jump the fuel pump with 12vdc or at the dual relay find pin 88d and jump that terminal to the positive battery post. The wire on pin 88d should be a big black wire with red stripe.

It doesn't matter which method you choose to turn on the fuel pump. Once the fuel pump is whirling away, go ahead and start the car. Report back with the results.

Remember to reattach the pertronix module when attempting to start the car if you happened to remove it earlier like I recommended.
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ndfrigi   Ignition System: Cranking very well but won't start 75 1.8FI   Feb 17 2016, 04:08 PM
Series9   The wiring bypass on the relay board is for the st...   Feb 17 2016, 05:14 PM
ndfrigi   The wiring bypass on the relay board is for the s...   Feb 17 2016, 05:15 PM
timothy_nd28   Start at the relay board, remove the 14 pin and 12...   Feb 17 2016, 05:16 PM
ndfrigi   Start at the relay board, remove the 14 pin and 1...   Feb 17 2016, 05:23 PM
ndfrigi   Like what other member said from my initial thread...   Feb 17 2016, 05:28 PM
Series9   One of the problems with continuity readings is th...   Feb 17 2016, 05:29 PM
Series9   And before you go too far: Check your fuses. If ...   Feb 17 2016, 05:32 PM
ndfrigi   And before you go too far: Check your fuses. If...   Feb 17 2016, 05:35 PM
timothy_nd28   I don't think one needs to worry about a phant...   Feb 17 2016, 06:11 PM
ndfrigi   I don't think one needs to worry about a phan...   Feb 17 2016, 06:23 PM
Geezer914   Check the dual relay near the battery.   Feb 17 2016, 06:23 PM
ndfrigi   Check the dual relay near the battery. Since yo...   Feb 17 2016, 06:27 PM
Dave_Darling   The dual relay powers the FI, and powers the fuel ...   Feb 17 2016, 10:35 PM
ndfrigi   The dual relay powers the FI, and powers the fuel...   Feb 17 2016, 11:08 PM
ndfrigi   Update: Joe (Series9) 1. Unplug the fuel pump an...   Feb 19 2016, 06:08 PM
timothy_nd28   Update: My Reply: I was able to replaced it wi...   Feb 19 2016, 07:29 PM
ndfrigi   [quote name='ndfrigi' post='2305195' date='Feb 19...   Feb 19 2016, 07:35 PM
timothy_nd28   Full of resistance? What did the meter say exactl...   Feb 19 2016, 06:51 PM
timothy_nd28   It's a blind and expensive way to go about sol...   Feb 19 2016, 07:37 PM
ndfrigi   It's a blind and expensive way to go about so...   Feb 19 2016, 07:39 PM
Series9   Do you have a timing light? Hook it up and see if...   Feb 20 2016, 12:26 PM
Series9   Actually, here's the easiest way to diagnose a...   Feb 20 2016, 12:39 PM
ssuperflyoldguy   Has maybe been covered before but for working on a...   Feb 20 2016, 02:28 PM
The Cabinetmaker   I've seen an sbc literally blow out a head gas...   Feb 20 2016, 04:54 PM
thelogo   [quote name='The Cabinetmaker' date='F...   Feb 21 2016, 12:44 AM
The Cabinetmaker   Dont throw parts just install yourself a new engin...   Feb 21 2016, 07:30 AM
porschetub   Dont throw parts just install yourself a new engi...   Apr 15 2016, 02:54 AM
The Cabinetmaker   Dont throw parts just install yourself a new eng...   Apr 15 2016, 06:52 AM
ndfrigi   Joe (Series9): Do you have a timing light? Hook ...   Feb 22 2016, 06:19 PM
Jeffs9146   Vacuum Leaks.   Feb 22 2016, 07:01 PM
ndfrigi   Vacuum Leaks. Hi Jeff, thanks for your suggesti...   Feb 22 2016, 11:27 PM
timothy_nd28   Now that fuel delivery is proven to turn on, turn ...   Feb 22 2016, 08:00 PM
ndfrigi   Now that fuel delivery is proven to turn on, turn...   Feb 22 2016, 09:15 PM
Rotary'14   Hey Noel,,, you can check for spark by doing what ...   Feb 22 2016, 09:28 PM
timothy_nd28   I agree, I was going to suggest this as the next s...   Feb 22 2016, 09:38 PM
ndfrigi   I agree, I was going to suggest this as the next ...   Feb 23 2016, 12:02 AM
ndfrigi   Hi Robert! Thanks for the suggestion too! ...   Feb 22 2016, 10:21 PM
r_towle   Pull a plug. Place plug back into the spark plug w...   Feb 23 2016, 12:08 AM
ndfrigi   Pull a plug. Place plug back into the spark plug ...   Feb 23 2016, 12:16 AM
ndfrigi   well after few weeks of not really taking care of ...   Mar 14 2016, 09:24 PM
ndfrigi   Hi again fellow members: Update: Still same issue...   Apr 14 2016, 06:00 PM
ndfrigi   RE: Ignition System: Cranking very well but won't start 75 1.8FI   Apr 14 2016, 06:06 PM
timothy_nd28   You seem to be all over the map with this one. Wh...   Apr 14 2016, 07:44 PM
ndfrigi   You seem to be all over the map with this one. W...   Apr 15 2016, 12:57 AM
ClayPerrine   I forgot to mentioned, I don't get a spark ...   Apr 15 2016, 06:55 AM
malcolm2   I forgot to mentioned, I don't get a spark...   Apr 15 2016, 07:18 AM
JOEPROPER   Check for consistent spark on all 4 wires AT the s...   Apr 15 2016, 06:14 AM
timothy_nd28   :agree: with all above, especially with what Clar...   Apr 15 2016, 07:44 AM
ndfrigi   Thanks for your inputs Joeproper, Clayperrine and ...   Apr 15 2016, 12:54 PM
timothy_nd28   Good, so you narrowed it down to no spark. Even i...   Apr 15 2016, 01:10 PM
ndfrigi   Good, so you narrowed it down to no spark. Even ...   Apr 15 2016, 01:50 PM
timothy_nd28   I'm sorry, the above test procedure will not w...   Apr 15 2016, 01:26 PM
JOEPROPER   What should work is an old fashion test light. KO...   Apr 15 2016, 01:38 PM
ndfrigi   What should work is an old fashion test light. K...   Apr 15 2016, 01:53 PM
timothy_nd28   :agree: , a ton easier. Find a 12volt light bulb ...   Apr 15 2016, 01:51 PM
ndfrigi   :agree: , a ton easier. Find a 12volt light bulb...   Apr 15 2016, 01:55 PM
ndfrigi   :agree: , a ton easier. Find a 12volt light bul...   Apr 15 2016, 02:09 PM
JOEPROPER   [quote name='ndfrigi' post='2331091' date='Apr 15...   Apr 15 2016, 04:17 PM
ndfrigi   [quote name='ndfrigi' post='2331097' date='Apr 15...   Apr 15 2016, 04:27 PM
JOEPROPER   [quote name='ndfrigi' post='2331097' date='Apr 1...   Apr 15 2016, 04:47 PM
ClayPerrine   If the light doesn't flash when jumping the po...   Apr 15 2016, 02:54 PM
ndfrigi   If the light doesn't flash when jumping the p...   Apr 15 2016, 03:11 PM
JOEPROPER   You should probably always have an extra coil and ...   Apr 15 2016, 04:49 PM
ndfrigi   You should probably always have an extra coil and...   Apr 15 2016, 05:05 PM
timothy_nd28   I mentioned for a test procedure to remove the pos...   Apr 15 2016, 06:49 PM
ndfrigi   I mentioned for a test procedure to remove the po...   Apr 15 2016, 07:54 PM
timothy_nd28   Does the vacuum advance lever, the part that's...   Apr 15 2016, 07:58 PM
ndfrigi   Does the vacuum advance lever, the part that...   Apr 15 2016, 08:43 PM
ndfrigi   RE: Ignition System: Cranking very well but won't start 75 1.8FI   Apr 15 2016, 08:41 PM
ClayPerrine   Take the cap off and crank the car to see if the d...   Apr 16 2016, 06:59 AM
ndfrigi   Take the cap off and crank the car to see if the ...   Apr 16 2016, 09:11 AM
ndfrigi   Take the cap off and crank the car to see if the...   Apr 16 2016, 11:57 AM
JOEPROPER   [quote name='ndfrigi' post='2331502' date='Apr 16...   Apr 16 2016, 12:47 PM
ndfrigi   [quote name='ndfrigi' post='2331502' date='Apr 1...   Apr 16 2016, 02:27 PM
ClayPerrine   Where does the big yellow wire on the negative ...   Apr 16 2016, 03:23 PM
ndfrigi   Where does the big yellow wire on the negative...   Apr 16 2016, 03:27 PM
ndfrigi   RE: Ignition System: Cranking very well but won't start 75 1.8FI   Apr 16 2016, 02:30 PM
marksteinhilber   Earlier I thought you said you had spark from...   Apr 16 2016, 03:01 PM
marksteinhilber   So you might have a bad ground inside the distrib...   Apr 16 2016, 02:50 PM
timothy_nd28   Remove all wires on the negative terminal of the i...   Apr 16 2016, 03:50 PM
ndfrigi   Remove all wires on the negative terminal of the ...   Apr 16 2016, 05:01 PM
timothy_nd28   With the voltmeter, attach one meter lead to the c...   Apr 16 2016, 05:26 PM
ndfrigi   With the voltmeter, attach one meter lead to the ...   Apr 16 2016, 05:34 PM
timothy_nd28   K, unplug the green wire at the negative terminal ...   Apr 16 2016, 05:39 PM
ndfrigi   K, unplug the green wire at the negative terminal...   Apr 16 2016, 05:43 PM
Rand   An aside... I get all the comments about using a t...   Apr 16 2016, 07:25 PM
timothy_nd28   Just to make sure, you have a meter lead on the po...   Apr 16 2016, 09:55 PM
Rand   Just to make sure, you have a meter lead on the p...   Apr 17 2016, 12:08 AM
ndfrigi   Just to make sure, you have a meter lead on the ...   Apr 17 2016, 12:16 AM
ndfrigi   Just to make sure, you have a meter lead on the p...   Apr 17 2016, 12:23 AM
Rand   Surely this is useful to the other experts. Don...   Apr 17 2016, 01:36 AM
ClayPerrine   If you are getting spark at the coil wire but not ...   Apr 17 2016, 02:51 PM
timothy_nd28   There is a 3rd option not listed. He mentioned in...   Apr 17 2016, 08:15 PM
ndfrigi   Update: Last night, Tim gave me his phone number ...   Apr 17 2016, 09:18 PM
ndfrigi   Update Sept. 19, 2016 Installed new points but idl...   Apr 20 2016, 02:47 AM
malcolm2   :beer2: :beer2: :beer2: :Qarl: Tim is not one...   Apr 20 2016, 06:44 AM
timothy_nd28   Another LJet up and running, back on the street wh...   Apr 26 2016, 11:57 AM
ThePaintedMan   Haven't really check in here, but the result i...   Apr 26 2016, 12:33 PM


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