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> My First Hiccup, finally put this to bed after the 3rd try
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post Jun 6 2016, 08:08 AM
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When we returned from Rt66 '16 I pulled my exhaust system down for a little trimming and noticed water in the left bank muffler! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/WTF.gif) We did drive through a ton of water on that trip. Then when returning from Costco yesterday it acted as if it were starved for fuel when it stumbled during acceleration. The fuel filter was the same one that came on the engine so I ordered another one. When I looked at the filter to check which one I had I noticed the coolant level in the expansion tank/reservoir had dropped. Well, there you are. Head gasket time. Now, I'm wondering if the stumble was due in fact to the head gasket failing? Decisions; should I fix this one which presently has ~ 185K or buy a JDM replacement. After perusing the net I found a few peep's whose JDM experience was less than stellar. Apparently it is a crap shoot as to what you get and the 40-50K avg mileage is (IMG:style_emoticons/default/bs.gif) . So, for about 1K I can pick up another engine and hope I bought a good one or open this one up and hope that is all it needs since it wasn't overheated. What does the the Wasser family think?

EDIT: It's an EZ30D 6cyl
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post Aug 11 2016, 03:59 PM
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QUOTE(mgp4591 @ Jul 25 2016, 07:04 PM) *

QUOTE(76-914 @ Jul 25 2016, 03:19 PM) *

Got the engine back in Sunday and she fired right up. I still have the issue that precluded the engine pull which is a fuel starvation issue. It falls on its face under acceleration. Ordered a fuel pump last nite. It runs great except the stalls but when I put it on the rack I found an oil leak on the rear chain guard. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/headbang.gif) I believe I didn't use enough sealant but we shall see. Given my prevailing piss poor attitude I ordered another engine. I'll throw that sucker in and take my time with the sealant when I pull old number one down again. I want to keep it in waiting. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/beerchug.gif)

If you get your fuel system figured out and it's running great, how big of a job is is to fix that leak again - another engine pull? Even if so, it doesn't seem to take too long for you. (I know time is compressed in your thread so 'not too long' is a relative term!)
But if you've got the rest of it buttoned up and running well... well, that's just me!
BTW, Mike Bellis just bought an AEM fuel pump and apparently loves it!

I R&R it w/ a stock Suby pump and it is working fine, thus far. If it burns out within 24 mo's I will go that route. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/beerchug.gif)

QUOTE(Elliot Cannon @ Jul 25 2016, 07:32 PM) *

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Hah! I flew w/o one of those for years until one day I took my daughter up and noticed my airspeed was 0. I was flying off a 1600' grass strip with a 50' tree on one end. Needless to say I landed at a large airport a few miles away and cleaned the mud daubers nest off my pitot tube. After that I bought one. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/headbang.gif)

First call on take-off... "set take off thrust". Second call is... "airspeeds alive". (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)
Now you tell me!


Round 2 - Took time away from the project these past several days to attend to, shall we say, life. No sense in whining about problems, right? With that said I'll move along. The newer engine is in and running but not w/o a hitch or 3. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/confused24.gif) I forgot to release the Subaru "pull type" throw out bearing so I lost a few hours reacquainting myself. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/headbang.gif) . The alternator had a bad bearing so I used the one off the other engine. I used the smaller AC compressor that came with the engine but I will need to change the size of my suction line as well now. And as it turns out, the TPS from either engine works fine although they have different part #'s. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/confused24.gif)
When it first fired off it belched an orange-ish cloud and settled in with a rpm of ~1200. So I switched the TPS back to the one that came with it and tried again. This time the idle was ~2800rpm. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/new_shocked.gif) . After I cleaned out my pants I settled down enough to find that I had not reconnected the TPS plug so the ECU never saw it. After I reconnected the TPS plug the idle returned to 1200rpm so no difference. After 2-3 minutes of idling it began to hunt. Now (IMG:style_emoticons/default/sheeplove.gif) what? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/headbang.gif) I'm hovering over the engine when I felt the tire spin against my leg. Lowered the lift enough for the rear tires to make contact with the concrete and it stopped. My take on this is that I am running the USDM ECU which only support an automatic so the VSS sender on my transmission works BUT it's looking for some torque values that the 5 speed manual trans isn't sending. It compensates by raising the idle a bit when run @ < 10mph. I figured that I'll drive with the high idle until I figure it out. My previous experiences w/ DJet had trained me in the fine art of driving with high idle syndrome. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/av-943.gif) So, I hop in and get about 300 yds down the road and it starts with that hunting (IMG:style_emoticons/default/stromberg.gif) again but this time with vigor. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/WTF.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/ar15.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/headbang.gif) Now I'm ready to kill something. I resigned myself to re-installing good ol' number 1 but decided I'll drive the piss out this thing until I get the other one back together and installed. This is where it gets weird. I've developed a habit of closely monitoring the tach on the upper end so that I can avoid the hard stall that comes at 6600rpm indicated. I say indicated because I am running the VDO Interrogator Tach. The new engine hits 7000rpm indicated before I shift. I didn't want to run past 7000rpm, either. Odd that with the same ECU the new engine rev's higher. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/confused24.gif) This however stumps me. After the 3rd or 4th hard pull the engine stopped hunting and the idle returned to 500-550rpm. For now, I'm going to assume that I had a presence along for the ride and he put a SLITS tune on it's ass. I have no other explanation. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/shades.gif)
When the engine was out I cleaned up the wiring and labeled everything. I still need to draw a proper schematic that represents the cars current (NPI) wiring layout.


Now that I have the other engine on a stand I'll take my time sealing it up and keep it as a spare.

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I also took the opportunity to paint my cradle as it had been sporting primer these past two years. I decided to strip it down to bare metal and inspect for cracks before I blindly threw a few coats of paint on it. I used PVC purple primer instead of Magnaflux. It works pretty well, is cheaper and can be used for plumbing chores later. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/beerchug.gif)

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And here sits the newer drive train awaiting it's new home. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

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76-914   My First Hiccup   Jun 6 2016, 08:08 AM
'73-914kid   As you know, I like doing stuff myself.. Just my...   Jun 6 2016, 09:33 AM
ThePaintedMan   Almost 100% the head gasket, and the resulting iss...   Jun 6 2016, 12:15 PM
Chris H.   You could do the head gasket no problem Kent. Doe...   Jun 6 2016, 03:29 PM
colingreene   Its because they are somewhat terrible motors.   Jun 6 2016, 05:25 PM
jimkelly   a head install video i like ddFsFfiyOvg   Jun 6 2016, 05:43 PM
malcolm2   a head install video i like ddFsFfiyOvg needs ...   Jun 9 2016, 12:36 PM
76-914   Almost 100% the head gasket, and the resulting is...   Jun 6 2016, 05:57 PM
ThePaintedMan   Cometic gaskets are all MLS, or multi-layered stee...   Jun 8 2016, 11:56 AM
rick 918-S   Cometic gaskets are all MLS, or multi-layered ste...   Jun 8 2016, 08:33 PM
effutuo101   That sucks. But from what I have read, pretty simp...   Jun 6 2016, 06:09 PM
76-914   That sucks. But from what I have read, pretty sim...   Jun 6 2016, 06:43 PM
rnellums   I'll be interested in what you find. The EZ30s...   Jun 6 2016, 07:44 PM
76-914   I'll be interested in what you find. The EZ30...   Jun 6 2016, 08:51 PM
Chris H.   Yeah you need a new chain...it'll be stretched...   Jun 6 2016, 08:50 PM
r_towle   What is water doing in the car?   Jun 6 2016, 08:55 PM
DBCooper   What is water doing in the car? That's kind ...   Jun 6 2016, 09:06 PM
r_towle   What is water doing in the car? That's kind...   Jun 6 2016, 09:41 PM
flmont   And I thought the 2010 3.6's were non-interfe...   Jun 6 2016, 09:29 PM
Chris H.   And I thought the 2010 3.6's were non-interf...   Jun 6 2016, 09:35 PM
914-300Hemi   sorry to hear about the engine troubles Kent. At l...   Jun 6 2016, 09:38 PM
oldschool   Big Boy I know my shop is a bit too far from you, ...   Jun 6 2016, 10:36 PM
rick 918-S   Likely related to the early over heating issue whe...   Jun 8 2016, 07:19 AM
DBCooper   I would say I owe you a set of rears but you built...   Jun 8 2016, 08:23 AM
76-914   You drove it like it was yours, Rick. Proud of ya....   Jun 8 2016, 08:56 AM
rhodyguy   2.5k. Wow. These are units sourced from Subaru by ...   Jun 8 2016, 10:30 AM
76-914   2.5k. Wow. These are units sourced from Subaru by...   Jun 8 2016, 12:34 PM
r_towle   I love how the engine cradle is also the drivetrai...   Jun 8 2016, 01:34 PM
rhodyguy   A thing of back saving beauty.   Jun 8 2016, 04:00 PM
ThePaintedMan   Yup, they don't sound like they'd seal, bu...   Jun 8 2016, 10:25 PM
76-914   I love how the engine cradle is also the drivetra...   Jun 9 2016, 08:03 AM
ThePaintedMan   Yeah, you'd need to find the stock thickness -...   Jun 9 2016, 09:33 AM
Chris H.   I have ONE good mount (and one bad one) you can ha...   Jun 9 2016, 10:17 AM
flmont   I need a engine cradle,..too...!!!...   Jun 9 2016, 05:32 PM
76-914   Thx for the video Jim but mine is a six. I do have...   Jun 10 2016, 10:51 PM
colingreene   Kent is that really the best you have? Obviously i...   Jun 11 2016, 01:40 AM
rick 918-S   Wow! Arnolds tractor oil? :unsure: That thing...   Jun 11 2016, 10:02 AM
914_teener   Wow! Arnolds tractor oil? :unsure: That thin...   Jun 11 2016, 10:36 AM
Chris H.   Sheesh Kent I better finish mine up if you're ...   Jun 11 2016, 11:25 AM
914forme   Poly mounts to the -4 mounting point are easy. I ...   Jun 12 2016, 09:55 AM
76-914   Kent is that really the best you have? Obviously ...   Jun 12 2016, 03:47 PM
914forme   I didn't know where to but those when I made...   Jun 19 2016, 08:29 AM
76-914   OK, this is what I was referring to when I said th...   Jun 12 2016, 10:29 PM
r_towle   See, water = corrosion, just sayin   Jun 12 2016, 11:09 PM
76-914   Well, I'm either a lucky SOB or I missed somet...   Jun 17 2016, 10:26 PM
OU812   Well, I'm either a lucky SOB or I missed some...   Jun 19 2016, 10:41 AM
Elliot Cannon   Nope, nope and NO. I'm NOT going to comment ...   Jun 17 2016, 10:49 PM
914_teener   Subaru Effed up......that's the answer.   Jun 17 2016, 10:59 PM
DBCooper   See, water = corrosion, just sayinOh, so that...   Jun 17 2016, 11:21 PM
76-914   See, water = corrosion, just sayinOh, so that...   Jun 18 2016, 09:06 AM
Chris H.   So...we're getting new hoses then :D ? Hey g...   Jun 18 2016, 09:20 AM
DBCooper   Huh, now that you mention it I wonder how many T4 ...   Jun 18 2016, 09:27 AM
DBCooper   In the first 100K miles, sure, after 150K miles pr...   Jun 19 2016, 10:53 AM
OU812   In the first 100K miles, sure, after 150K miles p...   Jun 19 2016, 11:51 AM
76-914   So...we're getting new hoses then :D ? Hey ...   Jun 19 2016, 12:23 PM
Chris H.   I just start began searching for SS pipe last ni...   Jun 19 2016, 07:45 PM
DBCooper   It's true carbs would be pretty interesting bu...   Jun 19 2016, 12:56 PM
Andyrew   Wow that sludge issue is Crazy. Those multi layere...   Jun 19 2016, 01:05 PM
914forme   Here you go   Jun 19 2016, 07:59 PM
914forme   But you could also use Loctite 518 which is anaero...   Jun 20 2016, 04:26 PM
76-914   But you could also use Loctite 518 which is anaer...   Jun 21 2016, 08:00 PM
Chris H.   That's a good point...the Permatex stuff does ...   Jun 20 2016, 06:13 PM
76-914   Finally! Gasket set arrived this PM. I need to...   Jun 25 2016, 07:29 PM
76-914   Finished cleaning except the pan and that can wait...   Jun 29 2016, 08:25 PM
76-914   Since I have to wait a few days for 6ea 8mm allen ...   Jul 7 2016, 07:18 PM
914forme   The right chain still has slack in it as shown b...   Jul 8 2016, 01:39 PM
76-914   Hah! I flew w/o one of those for years until o...   Jul 8 2016, 02:04 PM
Elliot Cannon   Hah! I flew w/o one of those for years until ...   Jul 25 2016, 08:32 PM
Chris H.   Wow that thing is clean. You're just about re...   Jul 8 2016, 04:42 PM
76-914   It's back together. Is it healed? We'll se...   Jul 16 2016, 03:34 PM
rhodyguy   Admerable skills. Good work. When do you plan on c...   Jul 17 2016, 08:57 AM
76-914   Got the engine back in Sunday and she fired right ...   Jul 25 2016, 03:19 PM
mgp4591   Got the engine back in Sunday and she fired right...   Jul 25 2016, 08:04 PM
Chris H.   Fuel starvation? Weird. Did you buy a JDM? Lo...   Jul 25 2016, 07:37 PM
76-914   Got the engine back in Sunday and she fired righ...   Aug 11 2016, 03:59 PM
76-914   I began to reassemble (again :angry: ) the timing...   Aug 27 2016, 06:43 PM
Chris H.   Hey mail it to me if you're gonna throw it in ...   Aug 27 2016, 07:31 PM
76-914   Hey mail it to me if you're gonna throw it in...   Aug 28 2016, 09:33 AM
Chris H.   As soon as I shake the Cobwebs out of my head thi...   Aug 28 2016, 07:46 PM
rhodyguy   I had never realized that the battery had to be re...   Aug 28 2016, 01:37 PM
76-914   I had never realized that the battery had to be r...   Aug 28 2016, 01:59 PM
rhodyguy   I haven't given up yet. I don't want to be...   Aug 28 2016, 02:11 PM
76-914   Whew! That was a blast. Not! >:D But ...   Aug 30 2016, 08:34 PM
76-914   Well, after my last post I found that I had NOT fi...   Dec 5 2016, 03:48 PM
rhodyguy   Great Kent! Btw chris, I opted for choice #3....   Dec 5 2016, 04:03 PM


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