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ahdoman
post Oct 23 2009, 08:04 PM
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Does any body make a stiffening kit that can be welded to the outside of the long?
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The longitudinal is designed as a box section beam with thin walls, doubled where reinforcement is needed. The firewall and the floor pan add sides to make another type box to make the car stiffer from a torsion standpoint. All of this connects the various suspension mounts, engine mounts, and shock towers together where primary loads get applied. If you weaken critical areas where the firewall ties in, and weaken 1,2,3 or 4 sides of your box longitudinal with rust, you get our standard sagging 914.

How to repair: Fix all rust weakened or holed areas with new steel. Try to make structure at least 90% as strong as original.

How to then strengthen for track or AX: Add Engman kit inside cabin and add overlay or additional layers of steel to the box on the outer longitudinal. Consider the additional kits from Maddog, Patrick, and others to add these layers between the structural attachment points for suspension and engine. Even the inner and outer firewall are important for torsional stiffness. Don't add more weight than needed! If you add weight low, remove some weight higher up.

Kits are easy, but I got a quartered car. It died so that mine can live!Attached Image

Mine had big holes in both sides and bottom of longitudinals, both sides. Cali car. Hell holes were not rusted out.Attached Image

Rusted out sections were surgically cut out one or two at a time while car was supported at six points including rear of trans, door gaps were checked continually. Each hole was then inserted with new steel with full MIG butt welds. Then overlayments were added on outside and inside of longs, and inner lower firewalls got an extra overlayment. Layers are added with fillet welds along the edges and rosette or plug welds to tie the layers together to carry the load evenly between them. Inside the box, I added flat bar that ties the suspension console, engine mount, firewall, and almost three feet of the longitudinal box together on the bottom of the box longitudinal. This flat bar is tied to the bottom of the longitudinal with continuous edge welds and rosettes. Car is taking some time, but it needs to be done right while it's stripped down. I'm 230 lbs. I can jump up and down on door sill and door gap doesn't change. I'm also a Mechanical Engineer with degrees from MIT, and I specialize in the design of welded steel ships and tankers.... Attached Image
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ahdoman   Long stiffening kits   Oct 23 2009, 08:04 PM
ConeDodger   Yes but I am at a loss to remember who it is... do...   Oct 23 2009, 08:12 PM
ahdoman   As always, I tried that already. The problem is th...   Oct 23 2009, 08:36 PM
MDG   AA sells the clamshells that go on the outside; I ...   Oct 23 2009, 08:38 PM
Grelber   I got mine from Brad Mayeur at 914ltd.   Oct 23 2009, 08:55 PM
Bruce Hinds   I bought a set many years ago from an outfit calle...   Oct 23 2009, 09:11 PM
ahdoman   Thanks all. The only thing I could find at AA is...   Oct 23 2009, 09:56 PM
Heeltoe914   Steve what is your purpose? Are you looking to rep...   Oct 23 2009, 10:27 PM
Cire   Steve what is your purpose? Are you looking to re...   Oct 24 2009, 06:19 AM
tat2dphreak   THIS is the one you WANT. it ties the suspension...   Oct 23 2009, 10:30 PM
Heeltoe914   I am sure Brad makes good stuff. anyone have pics ...   Oct 23 2009, 10:34 PM
ahdoman   Unfortunately it looks like "the turd" h...   Oct 23 2009, 10:48 PM
dakotaewing   Here is a few pics of one of Brads older kits with...   Oct 23 2009, 11:20 PM
r_towle   George Hussey (AA) designed the original clamshell...   Oct 23 2009, 11:22 PM
pete-stevers   not sure but i think chappy has them installed on ...   Oct 23 2009, 11:54 PM
Rand   Just check it all out. There are some very knowled...   Oct 24 2009, 12:02 AM
shoguneagle   I went to both extremes - I welded Brad Mayeur...   Oct 24 2009, 01:15 AM
Grelber   Here's a pic of my passenger side with the Bra...   Oct 24 2009, 07:57 AM
Cire   Here's a pic of my passenger side with the Br...   Oct 24 2009, 08:49 AM
Grelber   Here's a pic of my passenger side with the B...   Oct 24 2009, 12:25 PM
Justinp71   Looks great. Did you do the work yourself? Do ...   Oct 25 2009, 07:36 PM
carr914   AA sells the clamshells that go on the outside; I...   Oct 24 2009, 09:28 AM
tat2dphreak   those are just the clamshells too, I think, on AA....   Oct 24 2009, 09:44 AM
r_towle   George designed the original overlay that Restorat...   Oct 24 2009, 10:01 AM
Bartlett 914   Brad's kit is awesome! We are about to cut...   Oct 24 2009, 12:47 PM
Heeltoe914   Steve what is your purpose? Are you looking to r...   Oct 24 2009, 07:22 PM
9146986   The Restoration Design pieces are lighter and perf...   Oct 25 2009, 09:22 AM
GeorgeRud   I've had Brad's kit on my conversion -6 fo...   Oct 25 2009, 10:42 PM
dakotaewing   Here are a few more photos I have of my install - ...   Oct 25 2009, 11:10 PM
Cire   Here are a few more photos I have of my install -...   Oct 26 2009, 06:53 AM
Cire   Here are a few more photos I have of my install ...   Oct 26 2009, 06:58 AM
JazonJJordan   :popcorn:   Oct 26 2009, 12:05 AM
dakotaewing   Eric - I drilled the holes in the top of Brads kit...   Oct 26 2009, 08:04 AM
RAB914   RE: Long stiffening kits   Oct 26 2009, 09:41 PM
ClayPerrine   I think some of you are missing the difference bet...   Oct 26 2009, 10:15 PM
Red72   This seems to be the best thread on the 914Ltd (Br...   Oct 4 2016, 10:20 AM
injunmort   no, after all the welding, they look great. no gri...   Oct 4 2016, 05:26 PM
Red72   no, after all the welding, they look great. no gr...   Oct 4 2016, 06:21 PM
marksteinhilber   The longitudinal is designed as a box section beam...   Oct 5 2016, 01:34 PM
marksteinhilber   Oh, OSPHO or other rust remover can be used to arr...   Oct 5 2016, 01:53 PM
marksteinhilber   I learned plenty from this website. Jack point re...   Oct 5 2016, 02:04 PM


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