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> CHT sensor extension, Curious, does it work? Who uses one?
malcolm2
post Oct 25 2016, 09:11 AM
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I want to cover all my bases here. I have purchased the new GB CHT sensor from 914Rubber to try.

So, I think I will buy a spacer from Brad Mayeur to have the option. From what he says it should:

"Porsche 914/4 Cylinder Head Temperature Sensor Extension.

This little device slows down the heating of the sensor and improves warm up drivability.
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I do have "warm up drivability" problems = Low idle RPM until the VDO CHT hits about 250*F. So it seems like my problems don't need the warm up to slow down, it needs to SPEED UP. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/WTF.gif)

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post Oct 25 2016, 04:19 PM
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OK, I have one of these and have been using it for a while. It definitely does help keep the car richer for longer during warm-up, and helps keep the idle good even after the AAR has closed and the car is still warming up. That's the good part. The bad part is that when you stop the engine, and go into Target for 30 minutes, it causes the CHT to cool off faster than if it were directly connected to the head. Since D-Jet 914's already have a hot start problem due to the differential cooling of the aluminum heads as compared to the iron cylinder sleeves (making the mixture too rich), this additional cooling makes it even worse. So you're trading one driveability problem for another.

The "solution" (which doesn't exist) is to have a properly-curved CHT that's directly attached to the iron cylinder sleeve. Or, maybe some other clever thing. IMO, it's just something we live with owning a 45-year-old car. I'm on the fence about taking it out the next time I have a chance. Fact is any time I drive the car, it's got to go through the warm-up phase, and this spacer does help, whereas I don't always take a 15-30 minute break on every drive, so I'll probably keep it installed.

BTW, when you have the "rich hot-start" problem, the solution is more air without more fuel. Here's what I do: with the key off, open the throttle about 1/4 to 1/3, then start the car. You don't want to turn the key and press the throttle down, because the "accelerator pump" action of the TPS will dump even more gas in. Immediately back off the throttle to keep the revs down when it starts. The additional air from the open throttle will start the car quickly, and the slight fouling of the plugs from the extra fuel will go away rapidly as you drive.
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malcolm2   CHT sensor extension   Oct 25 2016, 09:11 AM
bretth   If I understand it correctly it is meant to keep t...   Oct 25 2016, 09:22 AM
Mikey914   Exactly. I have one also and may reproduce these.   Oct 25 2016, 09:26 AM
BeatNavy   I do have "warm up drivability" problem...   Oct 25 2016, 09:28 AM
pbanders   The possible downside, which is probably attribut...   Oct 25 2016, 04:22 PM
BeatNavy   The possible downside, which is probably attribu...   Oct 25 2016, 05:39 PM
pbanders   [quote name='pbanders' post='2415735' date='Oct 2...   Oct 25 2016, 06:15 PM
malcolm2   I have checked what I understand to be the other c...   Oct 25 2016, 09:36 AM
BeatNavy   It doesn't slow down the engine warming. It s...   Oct 25 2016, 09:45 AM
pbanders   OK, I have one of these and have been using it for...   Oct 25 2016, 04:19 PM
malcolm2   From this and other research it seems that I may j...   Oct 25 2016, 06:52 PM
TX914   I wish some clever guru would create a way to modi...   Oct 26 2016, 06:13 AM
BeatNavy   I wish some clever guru would create a way to mod...   Oct 26 2016, 06:47 AM
Philip W.   i have dealt with same issue with my 2.0 d-jet tha...   Oct 26 2016, 07:15 AM
pbanders   i have dealt with same issue with my 2.0 d-jet th...   Oct 26 2016, 01:42 PM
Mikey914   Well a rheostat would give you the ability to have...   Oct 26 2016, 10:20 AM
pbanders   See my edited response above. BTW, it's nearl...   Oct 28 2016, 04:32 PM
BeatNavy   What worked best was to start with key off, then ...   Oct 28 2016, 04:46 PM
pbanders   What worked best was to start with key off, then...   Oct 28 2016, 05:59 PM
porsche913b_sp   I will have to keep you all's suggestions in m...   Oct 28 2016, 04:46 PM
pbanders   Here's the schematic for using a DPDT switch a...   Oct 28 2016, 06:02 PM
pbanders   I never was worth a crap as an EE, I was more of a...   Oct 28 2016, 06:06 PM
pbanders   OK, here's a circuit version with two pots, on...   Oct 28 2016, 06:35 PM
pbanders   OK, I can't stop, here's one more circuit ...   Oct 28 2016, 06:48 PM
Spoke   OK, I can't stop I know the feeling. Here...   Oct 28 2016, 08:37 PM
pbanders   [quote name='pbanders' post='2417044' date='Oct 2...   Oct 28 2016, 09:47 PM
pbanders   One thing I always know for sure: If I draw a circ...   Oct 28 2016, 09:52 PM
TX914   Very nice. This seems closer to being realized. I ...   Oct 29 2016, 08:19 AM
pbanders   Very nice. This seems closer to being realized. I...   Oct 29 2016, 05:35 PM
timothy_nd28   Instead of a switch, why not a small circuit that ...   Oct 29 2016, 09:02 AM
pbanders   Instead of a switch, why not a small circuit that...   Oct 29 2016, 05:36 PM
timothy_nd28   RE: CHT sensor extension   Oct 29 2016, 07:17 PM
TX914   I'll take 2 of those. :)   Oct 29 2016, 09:21 PM
pbanders   Tim, thanks, I've got all those components exc...   Oct 30 2016, 07:28 AM
timothy_nd28   Sorry, I know it wasn't helpful but I happen t...   Nov 1 2016, 11:28 PM
nine9three   I have the extension and it transformed my car whe...   Nov 2 2016, 11:07 AM
Mikey914   I have the extension and it transformed my car wh...   Nov 3 2016, 11:31 AM
porsche913b_sp   I have the extension and it transformed my car wh...   Nov 3 2016, 11:44 AM
Mikey914   What I'm getting at is you installed a new CHT...   Nov 3 2016, 11:55 AM
pbanders   I have the tester box all put together, not wired ...   Nov 3 2016, 11:24 PM
pbanders   OK, I got it all together and installed, and went ...   Nov 4 2016, 06:59 PM


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