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Feb 7 2017, 09:58 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 618 Joined: 19-November 14 From: Philadelphia Member No.: 18,138 Region Association: North East States |
I know this topic has been discussed before and that a lot of folks think that COA's are a waste of money but.....I'm still interested in ordering one. I'd like see if PCNA can get it correct first time. Would it be helpful if I sent in photos of the VIN #'s, build date / color code tags and a list of the options on the car with the COA form filled out? Does anyone have any advice and/or firsthand experience with this?
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mountainroads |
Mar 10 2017, 01:56 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 210 Joined: 19-February 12 From: Seattle Member No.: 14,145 Region Association: Pacific Northwest |
Similar to others in this thread, I've put this off and am now getting around to it because I'd like the documentation, even if it's for a non-matching numbers car. I spoke to PCNA the other day and explained I had the registration, VIN, etc, but the original engine and transmission were long gone, having been replaced by previous owners. The friendly rep I spoke with said that they would process the form, but the transmission and engine number fields would be blank, unless I could provide them.
Now, I understand they don't want folks passing off non-numbers matching cars as numbers matching, but I want the form because I'm curious about the car's history, as much as anything. Therefore, getting back an incomplete form does diminish it's usefulness and value. Besides, anyone who knows anything about 914s knows that 1970 transmissions were tail-shifters instead of side-shifters, and the original engine number would've been stamped in a different location than the engine I now have. Pretty hard to hide those details, short of over-stamping. To carry this further, I could probably do a little research and come up with numbers close enough that they wouldn't question them, but that's not what I'm after. Anyone know a good way around this issue? Thanks in advance. - MR |
87m491 |
Mar 10 2017, 02:39 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 295 Joined: 29-July 12 From: Portland, the original! Member No.: 14,731 Region Association: North East States |
A way around what issue? You have not definitively said if your components are original to the car or not. If they are original AFAYK, give Porsche the info and get your COA. If they are mismatched, then take the COA for what it is worth, or not.
I have a factory widebody 911. I basically wanted the COA as proof of the body from the factory. Like others, my first COA came back not listing that option! I emailed back and asked if their records indicated it as such and they said yes. I knew this to be the case because I inquired before I bought the car! They redid it at no fee with no reason for the original oversight. To carry this further, I could probably do a little research and come up with numbers close enough that they wouldn't question them, but that's not what I'm after. Anyone know a good way around this issue? Thanks in advance. - MR |
mountainroads |
Mar 10 2017, 02:49 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 210 Joined: 19-February 12 From: Seattle Member No.: 14,145 Region Association: Pacific Northwest |
A way around what issue? You have not said if your components are original to the car or not. If they are original AFAYK, give Porsche the info and get your COA. To carry this further, I could probably do a little research and come up with numbers close enough that they wouldn't question them, but that's not what I'm after. Anyone know a good way around this issue? Thanks in advance. - MR Sorry if I wasn't very clear: >> and explained I had the registration, VIN, etc, but the original engine and transmission were long gone, having been replaced by previous owners. << The original engine was bricked a long time ago and a previous owner decided he liked the feel of side-shifter transmissions better than tail-shifters. So those two items are gone and I don't have the numbers. I'd like those numbers to be on the document for historical purposes and out of curiosity, but Porsche doesnt want to provide unless I already know them. That's the issue I'm trying to get around. - MR |
McLovin |
Mar 10 2017, 03:35 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 110 Joined: 31-August 16 From: Tallahassee, FL Member No.: 20,360 Region Association: South East States |
A way around what issue? You have not said if your components are original to the car or not. If they are original AFAYK, give Porsche the info and get your COA. To carry this further, I could probably do a little research and come up with numbers close enough that they wouldn't question them, but that's not what I'm after. Anyone know a good way around this issue? Thanks in advance. - MR Sorry if I wasn't very clear: >> and explained I had the registration, VIN, etc, but the original engine and transmission were long gone, having been replaced by previous owners. << The original engine was bricked a long time ago and a previous owner decided he liked the feel of side-shifter transmissions better than tail-shifters. So those two items are gone and I don't have the numbers. I'd like those numbers to be on the document for historical purposes and out of curiosity, but Porsche doesnt want to provide unless I already know them. That's the issue I'm trying to get around. - MR That makes it sound like they don't know them. Not only that, but if that information isn't put on a certificate, then it makes it easier for you to pass off a car as numbers matching since you'd have a certificate with omissions or blank fields. Seems like Porsche would provide that info on all certificates to protect future buyers. As an aside, is there a listing of ranges of engine numbers based on the year and month of manufacture? Anyone here tried to make one? just Mclovin |
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