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> What modern EFI is everybody using, Modern EFI applications on Type-IV engine
TheWeatherMan
post Jul 5 2017, 12:45 PM
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What modern EFI systems is everyone installing on their Type-IV engine?
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Mark Henry
post Jul 5 2017, 03:54 PM
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I installed SDS way back in 2004, still running the same system in my bug but I re-chipped it to the latest version before V5.
Likely I'm one of the first here running a programmable FI system, at least on a DD.

http://www.sdsefi.com/

My 914 I ran it on a stock 1.8 and 2.0 with a mild carb cam with a pretty well stock D-jet intake (intake used on both the 1.8 and 2.0). Both engines ran flawless, perfect AFR, on the 2.0 I took the programmer off and ran it for 3 years (6+ month seasons) without ever checking it. I'd say it ran like a brand new L-jet, turn the key and go.

My bug is a super hi-performance 2.6L T4, 102x78mm, nickies, JE's, 2.0 big valve heads, Web cam, A1 1-3/4 exhaust etc, etc...
Only issue is because of the 46mm ITB's I can't get a good MAP signal and I have to run it as a TPS only system which may hurt my MPG slightly.
But then again it still runs flawless even on TPS.

I can tell you for 100% sure PEFI doesn't add a single HP, but it can run things, like a performance cam, that stock FI can never run.
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post Jul 5 2017, 07:12 PM
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PEFI alone adds no HP, but a proper tune on top of that PEFI will, especially if your system is controlling your timing as well. Having a full 3 dimensional tuning table for both fuel and spark allows you to dial in the tune and give the engine exactly what it needs everywhere.




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I installed SDS way back in 2004, still running the same system in my bug but I re-chipped it to the latest version before V5.
Likely I'm one of the first here running a programmable FI system, at least on a DD.

http://www.sdsefi.com/

My 914 I ran it on a stock 1.8 and 2.0 with a mild carb cam with a pretty well stock D-jet intake (intake used on both the 1.8 and 2.0). Both engines ran flawless, perfect AFR, on the 2.0 I took the programmer off and ran it for 3 years (6+ month seasons) without ever checking it. I'd say it ran like a brand new L-jet, turn the key and go.

My bug is a super hi-performance 2.6L T4, 102x78mm, nickies, JE's, 2.0 big valve heads, Web cam, A1 1-3/4 exhaust etc, etc...
Only issue is because of the 46mm ITB's I can't get a good MAP signal and I have to run it as a TPS only system which may hurt my MPG slightly.
But then again it still runs flawless even on TPS.

I can tell you for 100% sure PEFI doesn't add a single HP, but it can run things, like a performance cam, that stock FI can never run.

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post Jul 5 2017, 08:19 PM
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PEFI alone adds no HP, but a proper tune on top of that PEFI will, especially if your system is controlling your timing as well. Having a full 3 dimensional tuning table for both fuel and spark allows you to dial in the tune and give the engine exactly what it needs everywhere.


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3D tuning table? does that help if you drive inverted?
Sequential helps with fuel economy, for the most part below 3000 rpm where the T4 and /6 aircooleds shouldn't be running anyways.
I'm running TPS only and my AFR is as solid as a rock through all RPM's

3D spark map (IMG:style_emoticons/default/lol-2.gif) A spark map is about as simple as simple gets. Once you have spark control the dark art of the dizzy curve goes bye-bye. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/bye1.gif)

Proper sized and tune Webers still win at WOT. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/shades.gif)
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3D tuning table? does that help if you drive inverted?

Maybe if you are comparing to carbs (IMG:style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif) but it does allow you to tune more accurately vs systems that follow an analog curve to approximate fuel requirements at given engine conditions see: Carbs, D-jet


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Sequential helps with fuel economy, for the most part below 3000 rpm where the T4 and /6 aircooleds shouldn't be running anyways.
I'm running TPS only and my AFR is as solid as a rock through all RPM's

Totally agree, sequential is a waste of time and adds needless complexity

QUOTE(Mark Henry @ Jul 5 2017, 06:19 PM) *

3D spark map (IMG:style_emoticons/default/lol-2.gif) A spark map is about as simple as simple gets. Once you have spark control the dark art of the dizzy curve goes bye-bye. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/bye1.gif)

Digital spark control is way more accurate/consistant than a dizzy at least all the type 4 dizzys i have played with. If you are only playing with an ignition curve in two dimensions (RPM + deg advance) you cannot optimize for all running conditions, 3 dimensions (RPM + engine load + advance) allows for this.


QUOTE(Mark Henry @ Jul 5 2017, 06:19 PM) *

Proper sized and tune Webers still win at WOT. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/shades.gif)

I attempted an autocross run entirely at WOT, turnes out other throttle positions are useful. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

Nothing against carbs, they are just not my thing.

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TheWeatherMan   What modern EFI is everybody using   Jul 5 2017, 12:45 PM
jd74914   I'm putting a MS3X (Megasquirt) on my 2.0L. No...   Jul 5 2017, 01:31 PM
jimkelly   seems very few have moved away from stock FI, and ...   Jul 5 2017, 02:52 PM
porschetub   There was a guy a few years back that used GM ECU ...   Jul 5 2017, 03:38 PM
914forme   There was a guy a few years back that used GM ECU...   Jul 5 2017, 09:06 PM
Mark Henry   I installed SDS way back in 2004, still running th...   Jul 5 2017, 03:54 PM
JamesM   PEFI alone adds no HP, but a proper tune on top of...   Jul 5 2017, 07:12 PM
914_teener   PEFI alone adds no HP, but a proper tune on top o...   Jul 5 2017, 07:42 PM
JamesM   So James.....just as an observer. What is the mi...   Jul 6 2017, 01:30 AM
Mark Henry   PEFI alone adds no HP, but a proper tune on top o...   Jul 5 2017, 08:19 PM
JamesM   Marketing Koolaid :D 3D tuning table? does t...   Jul 6 2017, 01:54 AM
Mueller   I would guess that there are 5 to 10+ 914s that ar...   Jul 5 2017, 04:14 PM
wndsrfr   I'm on SDS on the 2316 Raby kit engine that Dr...   Jul 5 2017, 07:47 PM
Dtjaden   Megasquirt MS3X full engine management (FI and ign...   Jul 5 2017, 08:39 PM
falcor75   Who's going to tune your car? If you know that...   Jul 5 2017, 10:30 PM
Mueller   [b]Who's going to tune your car? If you know ...   Jul 6 2017, 12:31 AM
falcor75   Must have: Crank position sensor Throttle position...   Jul 6 2017, 01:47 AM
JamesM   Must have: Crank position sensor Throttle positio...   Jul 6 2017, 02:11 AM
falcor75   Must have: Crank position sensor Throttle positi...   Jul 6 2017, 03:21 AM
jimkelly   microsquirt diagram   Jul 6 2017, 04:26 AM
ottox914   SDS. See my sig below for the install thread. It...   Jul 6 2017, 06:08 AM
Mark Henry   :agree: I sold Dave his SDS system. SDS is hand...   Jul 6 2017, 07:35 AM
Mark Henry   A member asked me if he should ditch his homebuilt...   Jul 6 2017, 11:52 AM
90quattrocoupe   Now before I start this post, I am not in anyway a...   Jul 6 2017, 12:40 PM
Mark Henry   That's one of the issues with many PEFI system...   Jul 7 2017, 09:51 AM
TheWeatherMan   Thanks, ill continue to research the SDS set up an...   Jul 7 2017, 10:37 AM
Mark Henry   Thanks, ill continue to research the SDS set up a...   Jul 7 2017, 11:38 AM


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