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MikeInMunich
post Aug 31 2017, 02:16 PM
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Hey Guys! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wavey.gif)

I can't figure out what happened in this crash, which you may or may not have seen on You Tube. You can easily find it by searching "914 Accident".

Here is the URL: https://youtu.be/BHYYlTZIZQ4

I estimate that in the video the guy covers about 125m in 3 seconds (while sliding), which is 2500 per minute...150 km/hr or 91 mph. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/idea.gif)

So he's going into a curve which isn't sharp at just under 100 MPH with nearly optimum tires and suspension, and he loses it. I can't speak from experience at all here. I've never been in a curve at that speed, athough I can say that my car, with 195-50 Goodrich G-Force Sport Comps (HIGHLY recommend, by the way, (IMG:style_emoticons/default/aktion035.gif)) front AND rear sway bars and Bilstine performance struts, can easily handle much sharper turns (exit ramps) at about 60 MPH with no problem. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/driving.gif)

I'm interested in hearing opinions of what happened here and why he seems to have not counter steered at all to regain control. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/confused24.gif)

Looking forward to your comments, opinions and insights! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/popcorn[1].gif)

Thanks!

By the way, anybody heading over to Munich for the Oktoberfest? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/beer3.gif)

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drifter914
post Aug 31 2017, 02:33 PM
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Keep your eye on the guy in blue checkered shirt (w/camera) on the corner. When the 914 comes into sight the shirt is right on the edge of track, which is the very line the driver has for his corner. Shirt does not flinch or move back as he is focused on his lens. Driver has to make an unintended reflex move to avoid clipping the shirt, which sets him up for the subsequent lose of control. Maybe... or maybe not ! Looks likely though... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif)
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Keep your eye on the guy in blue checkered shirt (w/camera) on the corner. When the 914 comes into sight the shirt is right on the edge of track, which is the very line the driver has for his corner. Shirt does not flinch or move back as he is focused on his lens. Driver has to make an unintended reflex move to avoid clipping the shirt, which sets him up for the subsequent lose of control. Maybe... or maybe not ! Looks likely though... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif)

He may have got back into his steering line a bit too steep after flinching to avoid the photographer.
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MikeInMunich   Experienced Competetion Drivers...   Aug 31 2017, 02:16 PM
Racer   More about this here: http://www.914world.com/bbs2...   Aug 31 2017, 02:19 PM
boxsterfan   Just a few panels from Restoration Design and that...   Aug 31 2017, 02:25 PM
drifter914   Keep your eye on the guy in blue checkered shirt (...   Aug 31 2017, 02:33 PM
Keith914   Keep your eye on the guy in blue checkered shirt ...   Aug 31 2017, 02:39 PM
Edward Blume   Keep your eye on the guy in blue checkered shirt ...   Aug 31 2017, 09:24 PM
xperu   Keep your eye on the guy in blue checkered shirt ...   Sep 1 2017, 06:25 AM
mgp4591   Keep your eye on the guy in blue checkered shirt ...   Sep 2 2017, 12:52 PM
MikeInMunich   As Racer has pointed out and many of you already k...   Aug 31 2017, 02:36 PM
wndsnd   Texting? :rolleyes:   Aug 31 2017, 02:56 PM
boxsterfan   Looks like he was out of control before he even go...   Aug 31 2017, 03:31 PM
ConeDodger   Fractional error. He was at 11/10's and had on...   Aug 31 2017, 03:56 PM
Cracker   The photog is a convenient scapegoat but in realit...   Aug 31 2017, 04:22 PM
MikeInMunich   The photog is a convenient scapegoat but in reali...   Aug 31 2017, 05:43 PM
Cracker   Where do I start? Look at the basic observations.....   Aug 31 2017, 08:32 PM
MikeInMunich   Wow. Thanks for the reply and lesson. Nice job.   Sep 1 2017, 01:37 AM
porschetub   The photog is a convenient scapegoat but in real...   Sep 1 2017, 12:43 AM
MikeInMunich   I haven't raced yet, so no experience, nor wit...   Sep 1 2017, 01:38 AM
steuspeed   Agree with Boxterfan. Without correction he was go...   Aug 31 2017, 04:35 PM
Racer   From the video perspective, he was already in trou...   Aug 31 2017, 05:06 PM
Jetsetsurfshop   I think the dude with the camera sold his line. H...   Aug 31 2017, 05:29 PM
raynekat   I agree with all those that said he had already lo...   Aug 31 2017, 05:43 PM
MikeInMunich   I agree with all those that said he had already l...   Sep 1 2017, 01:48 AM
falcor75   I agree with all those that said he had already ...   Sep 1 2017, 02:20 AM
burton73   That was a few years ago. Look that boy is lucky t...   Aug 31 2017, 07:36 PM
Elliot Cannon   I'm not expert like many others here. The on...   Aug 31 2017, 07:45 PM
Cracker   Same boulders... ZXzWPDfGrYU   Aug 31 2017, 08:38 PM
MikeInMunich   Same boulders... ZXzWPDfGrYU Holy crap! Ma...   Sep 1 2017, 01:52 AM
horizontally-opposed   Same boulders... ZXzWPDfGrYU Maybe it's t...   Sep 1 2017, 02:35 AM
whitetwinturbo   If you play in slo-mo: 1] at 2 second mark you c...   Aug 31 2017, 09:30 PM
Edward Blume   If you play in slo-mo: 1] at 2 second mark you ...   Aug 31 2017, 11:01 PM
horizontally-opposed   To the OP's question: I think it's too har...   Sep 1 2017, 02:46 AM
MikeInMunich   Ouch! Thanks.   Sep 1 2017, 03:28 AM
Calwaterbear   It's pretty hard/ expensive to get significant...   Sep 1 2017, 04:56 AM
carr914   Fractional error. He was at 11/10's and had o...   Sep 1 2017, 06:06 AM
ConeDodger   Fractional error. He was at 11/10's and had ...   Sep 2 2017, 10:34 AM
DM_2000   As for the cage? Dude hit a rock at XX MPH and g...   Sep 2 2017, 07:17 PM
jmitro   the cage in that photo may look questionable, but ...   Sep 2 2017, 05:31 AM
Cracker   Not that we are seeing this differently but that i...   Sep 2 2017, 07:07 AM
carr914   Keep your eye on the guy in blue checkered shirt ...   Sep 2 2017, 06:10 AM
jmitro   yea for sure, definitely want the cage as safe as ...   Sep 2 2017, 10:25 AM
Cracker   Maybe Brant could help clarify but I have never se...   Sep 2 2017, 10:31 AM
jmitro   Maybe Brant could help clarify but I have never s...   Sep 2 2017, 10:40 AM
jmitro   watching the video closely, one can see the rear e...   Sep 2 2017, 10:28 AM
horizontally-opposed   watching the video closely, one can see the rear ...   Sep 2 2017, 12:26 PM
ConeDodger   watching the video closely, one can see the rear...   Sep 3 2017, 02:03 PM
horizontally-opposed   Pete, that corner is literally a few hundred yar...   Sep 3 2017, 04:35 PM
ablesnead   The cage worked....he walked...I can't imagine...   Sep 2 2017, 10:11 PM
DM_2000   The cage did nothing to protect the drivers side p...   Sep 3 2017, 08:25 AM
ablesnead   have to disagree on that one ...cars have to fit c...   Sep 3 2017, 12:15 PM
Dave_Darling   It still looks like the crash is inevitable as the...   Sep 3 2017, 04:19 PM
Maltese Falcon   Kicking your racecar especially a 914 is Verboten ...   Sep 3 2017, 04:31 PM
Maltese Falcon   My neighbor (Mann) runs this spec built Lister (Be...   Sep 3 2017, 06:51 PM
MikeInMunich   Check THIS out! :shades2: SERIOUS skills...   Sep 26 2017, 01:21 PM
raynekat   Check THIS out! :shades2: SERIOUS skills...   Sep 26 2017, 01:26 PM
mbseto   To mix metaphors--- It's more fun to drive a 9...   Sep 26 2017, 02:16 PM
Cracker   I don't honestly know if that is true but I wo...   Sep 26 2017, 05:01 PM
mbseto   It's always been more of a consolation than an...   Sep 27 2017, 01:55 PM


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