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> dyno run for 2366 with Web street cam and DLRA 45s
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post Jan 9 2018, 04:45 PM
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I bought this car a couple months ago, and wrestling with problems that I expected, and some I didn't expect.

Dyno shop got a noticeable performance improvement by reaming out the main jets. We played with the timing curve a little bit also. Unfortunately the clutch is contaminated or something and sometimes interfered with torque readings.

Now that I've read more about 2366 longevity, I'm not sure I'd opt for it. It sounds great and pulls harder than I'm used to in a 914 though.

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post Jan 11 2018, 12:27 PM
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I've used the UV leak detector kits with success before.

Not sure if I'd do engine or transmission 1st...just don't do them at the same time!

https://www.amazon.com/Mastercool-53351-B-P...ords=uv+dye+kit
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post Jan 11 2018, 09:00 PM
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I tried to smell the stuff today and it just smelled like oil. But it's possible I don't have a discerning pallet since I'm the guy who thought Coke and Pepsi were the same drink until there was a big fuss about New Coke.

Since the transaxle needs rebuilding anyway, I guess we'll learn more about the leaks and clutch then.

Could not induce any noticeable clutch slip today. Engine idles great, and drivability problems vanished when I replaced the DRLA 45s (which still have 35 or 36 venturis I think). Air fuel mixture was correct on the dyno.

If it's not a clutch problem, what's the next most likely cause of the power less than other big fours?

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post Jan 12 2018, 07:35 AM
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QUOTE(98101 @ Jan 11 2018, 11:00 PM) *

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If it's not a clutch problem, what's the next most likely cause of the power less than other big fours?

Camshaft and exhaust.
FC442 is a conservative camshaft for a 2366.
A 1 5/8" header is too small for a 2366.
European Racing Headers have long primaries, better for low end torque instead of top end.

BTW, 37 degree full advance is probably way too aggressive and may result in pre-ignition/high head temps.
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post Jan 12 2018, 10:52 AM
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QUOTE(Racer Chris @ Jan 12 2018, 05:35 AM) *

Camshaft and exhaust.
FC442 is a conservative camshaft for a 2366.
A 1 5/8" header is too small for a 2366.
European Racing Headers have long primaries, better for low end torque instead of top end.

OK. That makes sense. Is there any point in changing one and not the other? I'm thinking of living with the current performance until the next engine build.

QUOTE(Racer Chris @ Jan 12 2018, 05:35 AM) *

BTW, 37 degree full advance is probably way too aggressive and may result in pre-ignition/high head temps.


I will back it off. I've always seen cylinder head temperature readings well below 350ºF, but it's winter here and I haven't pushed it very hard for very long.

Thank you for the expert help.
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98101   dyno run for 2366 with Web street cam and DLRA 45s   Jan 9 2018, 04:45 PM
914werke   This is from the Carb Connection in Totem Lake? 12...   Jan 9 2018, 05:38 PM
ConeDodger   This is from the Carb Connection in Totem Lake? 1...   Jan 9 2018, 05:44 PM
98101   This is from the Carb Connection in Totem Lake? 1...   Jan 9 2018, 05:47 PM
98101   120hp /140tq seems low for 2.4L motor, what kind...   Jan 9 2018, 07:12 PM
MarkV   Once you get the clutch slip fixed I bet the #...   Jan 9 2018, 06:23 PM
Elliot Cannon   Once you get the clutch slip fixed I bet the #...   Jan 9 2018, 07:23 PM
98101   Once you get the clutch slip fixed I bet the #...   Jan 9 2018, 07:32 PM
914werke   Hmmm, I only ask as the only exp. Ive had with the...   Jan 9 2018, 06:44 PM
98101   Hmmm, I only ask as the only exp. Ive had with th...   Jan 9 2018, 07:01 PM
pete000   Gottal Love the 123 programmable distributor !   Jan 9 2018, 07:05 PM
914_teener   Gottal Love the 123 programmable distributor ...   Jan 10 2018, 12:14 AM
Vacca Rabite   Your clutch is slipping probably any time you are ...   Jan 9 2018, 07:41 PM
98101   The longevity issue with the 2366 is heat. The h...   Jan 9 2018, 11:48 PM
North Coast Jim   The longevity issue with the 2366 is heat. The ...   Jan 10 2018, 08:36 AM
Dr Evil   [quote name='98101' post='2566322' date='Jan 10 2...   Jan 10 2018, 01:51 PM
somd914   Concur with the others, take a look at the clutch,...   Jan 9 2018, 08:20 PM
lonewolfe   Concur with the others, take a look at the clutch...   Jan 11 2018, 03:30 AM
98101   Concur with the others, take a look at the clutc...   Jan 11 2018, 09:02 PM
MarkV   Get that clutch fixed. :smash:   Jan 9 2018, 08:28 PM
Larmo63   I wonder if the Cosmoline was ever cleaned off of ...   Jan 9 2018, 11:35 PM
98101   I wonder if the Cosmoline was ever cleaned off of...   Jan 9 2018, 11:44 PM
ottox914   Fix clutch. We want to see what that beast can do....   Jan 10 2018, 06:04 PM
jim_hoyland   :agree: The doctor is in the House. Dr Evil is th...   Jan 10 2018, 07:45 PM
98101   I appreciate all the support here! Mechanic r...   Jan 10 2018, 09:29 PM
Krieger   If it is tranny fluid It looks like it coming from...   Jan 10 2018, 09:39 PM
Perry Kiehl   First thing to do is figure out the leaks.   Jan 10 2018, 09:40 PM
MarkV   Looks wet.... gear oil has a distinct smell kind o...   Jan 10 2018, 09:47 PM
98101   Looks wet.... gear oil has a distinct smell kind ...   Jan 11 2018, 02:34 AM
ottox914   Rear main, trans out put, or ball pivot could all ...   Jan 11 2018, 07:28 AM
Vacca Rabite   Trans out. Flywheel off. Show us your rear main se...   Jan 11 2018, 08:41 AM
98101   You guys are probably right that the rear main sea...   Jan 11 2018, 10:42 AM
Dr Evil   You guys are probably right that the rear main se...   Jan 11 2018, 10:53 AM
MarkV   Isn't there a known problem with Erling rear m...   Jan 11 2018, 11:30 AM
Mueller   I've used the UV leak detector kits with succe...   Jan 11 2018, 12:27 PM
98101   I tried to smell the stuff today and it just smell...   Jan 11 2018, 09:00 PM
Racer Chris   ... If it's not a clutch problem, what's ...   Jan 12 2018, 07:35 AM
98101   Camshaft and exhaust. FC442 is a conservative cam...   Jan 12 2018, 10:52 AM
914werke   You guys are probably right that the rear main sea...   Jan 11 2018, 01:15 PM
Dominic   I noticed you have an additional oil cooler, if yo...   Jan 12 2018, 09:32 AM
98101   I noticed you have an additional oil cooler, if y...   Jan 12 2018, 10:57 AM
Racer Chris   Maybe PO wouldn't have needed to add the oil...   Jan 12 2018, 11:29 AM
98101   Maybe PO wouldn't have needed to add the oi...   Jan 12 2018, 11:38 AM
Mblizzard   Maybe PO wouldn't have needed to add the oi...   Apr 27 2018, 01:59 PM
worn   I noticed you have an additional oil cooler, if y...   Apr 27 2018, 02:51 PM
gothspeed   [quote name='Dominic' post='2567254' date='Jan 12...   Apr 27 2018, 03:27 PM
98101   looks like a web cam 494 here: http://www.webcam...   Apr 27 2018, 03:46 PM
gothspeed   [quote name='gothspeed' post='2603402' date='Apr ...   Apr 27 2018, 03:50 PM
Mark Henry   Odd that it says it's a standard base circle c...   Apr 27 2018, 02:59 PM
98101   Odd that it says it's a standard base circle ...   Apr 27 2018, 06:25 PM
porschetub   Odd that it says it's a standard base circle...   Apr 28 2018, 12:41 AM
Mark Henry   The valve size and header size isn't a huge is...   Apr 28 2018, 06:32 AM


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