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> Faulty Starter Switch(es) ?
euro911
post Jun 29 2018, 02:35 PM
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OK, so I hadn't started the 'BB' for a while, but it was running fine the last time I did. I wanted to make sure everything was in fairly tip-top shape for Bill (Bill1963), prior to him taking custodianship a couple of weeks from now.

I wheeled a very large capacity (255A), heavy (170 lbs), fully-charged battery over to the car and ran heavy-duty jumper cables to the terminals and attempted to start her yesterday ... and nothing. I hear the fuel pump running, lights work, stereo works, etc.

Next, I raise the lift and jumped across the (+) starter cable terminal to the solenoid terminal under the car ... and viola, it cranks just fine. I had my wife turn the key while I checked for voltage on the solenoid terminal, but found no voltage present there.

I found and read a couple of old threads on starter issues, so I did the following: I checked the solenoid wiring from the switch (which is spliced at the bypassed relay box under the passenger seat - it's a '75) and that's fine.

I check the relays on the relay board, burnish the contacts and reinsert - still not activating the starter (IMG:style_emoticons/default/headbang.gif)

I also read that sometimes the tumbler mechanism doesn't turn far enough to fully engage the electrical terminals in the ignition switch, so I crank to the right as hard as I can and the starter finally engaged (for a brief second or so). I tried it again several times afterwards without any success.

The ignition switch was replaced with a new one a couple of years ago and didn't have a ton of starting cycles on it ... so how is it, that just not being used for a period of time, that these 'new' switches seem to be failing?

Where can we purchase a quality made switch these days?

Signed, 'Frustrated' ...

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post Jul 3 2018, 09:19 AM
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For What It Is Worth (FWIW), the socket can be pulled off the back of the switch while it is still mounted in the steering column and a new switch can be plugged in to the loose wire bundle. This will allow you to operate the new switch using a flat blade screw driver to check to see if the new switch will start the car. If the car starts, you can deduce that the old switch still installed in the column is the culprit.

I think what mblizzard says about new cheap switches having thinner plastic may have some merit. Thinner plastic or poor quality may allow contacts to wander off target, have poor clearances, misaligned contacts, and may be more prone to high current arcing as a result. I found there are differences in how some of the key tumblers fit or actuate the center rotating portion of the plastic switch and caused me a problem. The point that a solenoid limits the total current flow through the key switch likely reduces the tendency to arc. Adding the (Ford) starter solenoid will probably make any of the replacement switches work better/longer. I haven't seen one of the European or Porsche OEM replacement switches and am not sure where to purchase except maybe through a dealer or maybe Automotion. I have only seen and tried to use the "cheap" parts and now have about three new and "suspect" spare switches. I put an original OEM part back in the car. It works beautifully with the correct and original matching key tumbler. I had to retrieve them from the PO as he had kept them from this 914 when it was his parts car. This picture shows the insides where the key tumbler actuates the center of the plastic switch. Attached Image
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euro911   Faulty Starter Switch(es) ?   Jun 29 2018, 02:35 PM
dr914@autoatlanta.com   some brands of electrical ignition switches have p...   Jun 29 2018, 02:40 PM
Elliot Cannon   Dianne must have a stronger wrist. :rotfl: :lol4:...   Jun 29 2018, 04:06 PM
Mblizzard   OK, so I hadn't started the 'BB' for ...   Jun 29 2018, 06:52 PM
Porschef   100% Mark. Late switches are available through dea...   Jun 29 2018, 07:41 PM
mepstein   “so how is it, that just not being used for a pe...   Jun 29 2018, 07:52 PM
Chris914n6   It has a spring that is always under tension so ev...   Jun 29 2018, 08:42 PM
euro911   OK, I'll pull the damn thing out and see iffin...   Jun 29 2018, 10:41 PM
ConeDodger   URO... :(   Jun 29 2018, 11:43 PM
euro911   NO URO911 :shades2:   Jun 30 2018, 12:34 AM
rick 918-S   Check the relay board. More plausible the board is...   Jun 30 2018, 03:24 AM
michael7810   Check the relay board. More plausible the board i...   Jun 30 2018, 10:01 AM
Mike Bellis   If you want to save your new switch from failure.....   Jun 30 2018, 12:09 PM
Mark Henry   If you want to save your new switch from failure....   Jul 1 2018, 07:31 AM
Hans Jan   If you want to save your new switch from failure...   Jul 2 2018, 10:24 PM
euro911   I'll try cleaning up all the sockets on the re...   Jun 30 2018, 01:32 PM
Mike Bellis   I'll try cleaning up all the sockets on the r...   Jun 30 2018, 02:06 PM
euro911   I pulled the relays, wire brushed the pins on them...   Jun 30 2018, 07:27 PM
Mblizzard   As I had mentioned I replaced the ignition switch ...   Jul 3 2018, 07:42 AM
marksteinhilber   For What It Is Worth (FWIW), the socket can be pul...   Jul 3 2018, 09:19 AM
euro911   Thanks for the tip, Mark :beer2: I removed the ...   Jul 9 2018, 09:59 PM
Mblizzard   Thanks for the tip, Mark :beer2: I removed the...   Jul 10 2018, 08:32 AM
marksteinhilber   I too love the universal key! I guess it fulfi...   Jul 10 2018, 03:50 PM
euro911   Years ago, I had a '68 Bug that had the wired-...   Jul 10 2018, 10:25 PM


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