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amfab
post Jan 1 2017, 11:34 AM
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OK, well I had to have a thread title. I am calling it that because it will restore structural integrity to the car and I want to be able to say that the rust has been correctly repaired if I eventually sell the car, unlike the lack of integrity of the person who hid the rust to sell it.

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The floor is a little shiny because there is still some mineral spirits on it from trying to get the tar off.

The open areas that you are seeing are after I wire brushed with knotted wire wheels on a grinder, then a carbide burr on a die grinder. While I will take some more off, what you see is getting close to good weldable metal.

First the longs:

The driver’s side is the worst. The bottom edges inside and out were full of holes, or very thin, so I cut the outside of the driver’s all the way off—except I haven’t got to the front under the door pillar yet.

I have cut out about 30 percent of the passenger’s side. The middle section is solid but I will replace it anyway. I started getting a little scared to take more out until I brace up the body.

The floor pan:

There are lots of sloppy welded patches and holes around the seams. The rear passenger’s and rear drivers quarters of the floor pan have been replaced with some plain steel—blue for some reason. The PO welded a solid bar on each side to mount the seat hinges. Sloppy, unground welds abound. There are some rust-through spots at the front of the pan that will need patching, but overall the pan in front of the cross member is solid.

Some patches in the lower firewall are solid.

Measuring diagonally, window frame to targa bar and straight back window frame to targa bar it is off no more than 1/8 inch. This changes depending upon doors open or closed or movement of the jack stands. The door gaps were never problems—maybe the driver’s side was a little wide. So it seems the car is pretty within spec and adjustable doorframe bars should be able to pull—or push—things to be good

Here is where I need advice. This is my plan, please give feedback:

1) Pull Wiring harness, speedometer cable and gas lines out of the center tunnel (What else is in there?) pull gas tank.


2) Pull doors and build adjustable bars to align doorframes

3) Continue to grind back to clean metal in the inside of the longs. Sandblast, then create internal angled patch pieces to repair the inner longitudinals from 18ga cold rolled. I am using michelko’s example see:
http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?s=&...st&p=219748

4) Cut off the majority of the inner rockers (The upper half or three quarters of the longs are very solid) and replace with inner rockers from Restoration Design.

5) Coat interiors of longs with Ospho then Eastwood frame coating

6) Patch any inner long parts to the area aft of the Restoration Design patch with 18ga cold rolled steel.

7) Install Brad Mayuer reinforcement kit over the longs

8) Cut rear floor quarters and cross member out

9) Weld in new rear floor panel and cross member, grinding out old welds and creating flanges from18ga where necessary—in the spots where there is no flange left in spots along the firewall and inner long

10) Remove and rebuild pedal cluster and create patches for small rust spots in the front of the footwells.

11) Sandblast interior and prime and paint.

12) Cut holes for front sway bar, sand blast and prime and paint bottom of gas tank area.

13) Install gas tank, new stainless gas lines and reinstall wiring harness.

Please give any feedback regarding my plan
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Great thread-I’m late to the party but thank you for documenting everything.

Can I ask what voltage and wire speed you’re using? No it will vary by welder etc., but I’m about to dive in and do some similar things and was hoping to get some experience on settings.

Thanks!
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QUOTE(Tdskip @ Dec 9 2018, 08:15 AM) *

Great thread-I’m late to the party but thank you for documenting everything.

Can I ask what voltage and wire speed you’re using? No it will vary by welder etc., but I’m about to dive in and do some similar things and was hoping to get some experience on settings.

Thanks!


I was using a Lincoln 125Plus—it is a 110V MIG welder. I tried .024 wire and .030. and started with the welder's recommended setting for 18 ga then tweaked from there. I found the spool mechanism that the Lincoln used would not give a steady wire speed sometimes due to spool weight and/or the rotation of the mechanism binding up the spool. I found the little 2lb spools were the worst, but the 10lb spools would also be problematic when they got down toward the end. I replaced the liner and lubed the wire and it would do well for a bit, then give inconsistent feed. It was very frustrating.

In some instances the .024 wire had a little less burn through, but If you get the .030 dialed in it seems to work as well or sometimes even better.

When I got to making the dolly and was welding on the heavy gauge tubing it was a bit under powered so I went and bought the Hobart MVP. I liked the option for 110v or 220v. I run it in the garage on 220v, but I wanted the portability of 110V.

It does not have a continuously variable voltage—it is stepped. I was a little concerned about this when buying, but I find that changing the wire speed slightly gives me all the fine tuning I need.

It is solidly consistent. I think that the drive wheels are designed to grip the wire well and help to isolate spool issues. I am really impressed with the welder, it may not be a high-end MIG, but for the money (under $800) I love it.

Normally what I do is look at the chart inside the door of the welder at the recommended voltage/wire speed for 18 ga and 20 ga and play around between there until its woking well. Sometimes I will set it to 22 ga if Im getting burn through in odd instances and play with the wire speed a little.

-Andrew

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QUOTE(Tdskip @ Dec 9 2018, 08:15 AM) *

Great thread-I’m late to the party but thank you for documenting everything.

Can I ask what voltage and wire speed you’re using? No it will vary by welder etc., but I’m about to dive in and do some similar things and was hoping to get some experience on settings.

Thanks!


I was using a Lincoln 125Plus—it is a 110V MIG welder. I tried .024 wire and .030. and started with the welder's recommended setting for 18 ga then tweaked from there. I found the spool mechanism that the Lincoln used would not give a steady wire speed sometimes due to spool weight and/or the rotation of the mechanism binding up the spool. I found the little 2lb spools were the worst, but the 10lb spools would also be problematic when they got down toward the end. I replaced the liner and lubed the wire and it would do well for a bit, then give inconsistent feed. It was very frustrating.

In some instances the .024 wire had a little less burn through, but If you get the .030 dialed in it seems to work as well or sometimes even better.

When I got to making the dolly and was welding on the heavy gauge tubing it was a bit under powered so I went and bought the Hobart MVP. I liked the option for 110v or 220v. I run it in the garage on 220v, but I wanted the portability of 110V.

It does not have a continuously variable voltage—it is stepped. I was a little concerned about this when buying, but I find that changing the wire speed slightly gives me all the fine tuning I need.

It is solidly consistent. I think that the drive wheels are designed to grip the wire well and help to isolate spool issues. I am really impressed with the welder, it may not be a high-end MIG, but for the money (under $800) I love it.

Normally what I do is look at the chart inside the door of the welder at the recommended voltage/wire speed for 18 ga and 20 ga and play around between there until its woking well. Sometimes I will set it to 22 ga if Im getting burn through in odd instances and play with the wire speed a little.

-Andrew

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Very helpful, thank you.

I have the same (or near identical Hobart). Good machine.

Fortunately I will be doing localized floor patching etc which makes it a bit easier but still want to make sure it is tidy.
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amfab   Operation Integrity   Jan 1 2017, 11:34 AM
amfab   More Picts   Jan 1 2017, 11:36 AM
GeorgeRud   You'll have some welding to do, but Restoratio...   Jan 1 2017, 02:19 PM
cary   Adding to George's suggestion. Do you have do...   Jan 1 2017, 10:04 PM
amfab   Adding to George's suggestion. Do you have d...   Jan 2 2017, 12:03 PM
amfab   What do you guys think about welding a place under...   Jan 2 2017, 08:56 PM
Andyrew   At this point you have so little structural integr...   Jan 2 2017, 09:03 PM
amfab   Thanks for the link Andrew there is some very rele...   Jan 4 2017, 10:48 PM
mbseto   I wanted to do braces that would allow putting the...   Jan 5 2017, 05:02 PM
tygaboy   I wanted to do braces that would allow putting th...   Jan 6 2017, 09:20 PM
trojanhorsepower   If you are interested in the opinion of someone th...   Jan 7 2017, 09:08 AM
amfab   I agree it is better to build a jig and do a full ...   Jan 9 2017, 07:41 PM
mbseto   Is that hydraulic bearing weight? I've found ...   Jan 10 2017, 10:00 AM
amfab   Is that hydraulic bearing weight? I've found...   Jan 10 2017, 10:15 AM
amfab   OK making patches. Can you guys le me know if this...   Jan 15 2017, 07:13 PM
mbseto   You're planning a reinforcement kit on the out...   Jan 16 2017, 09:08 AM
amfab   You're planning a reinforcement kit on the ou...   Jan 16 2017, 10:05 AM
Andyrew   Looks good. If your doing it on the inside then ma...   Jan 16 2017, 12:31 PM
amfab   OK, so based on Andyrew's comments I went out ...   Jan 21 2017, 08:15 PM
Montreal914   To give you an idea, the holes for the plug welds ...   Jan 21 2017, 10:27 PM
amfab   To give you an idea, the holes for the plug welds...   Jan 22 2017, 10:03 PM
BeatNavy   I just said "screw it" and ordered a re...   Jan 23 2017, 04:35 AM
amfab   I can't tell by your description - are you d...   Jan 23 2017, 11:48 PM
amfab   You guys intimidate me. I am ok with a TIG, but I ...   Jan 30 2017, 10:39 PM
BeatNavy   Do you guys run .030 or .025? Im using .030 with ...   Jan 31 2017, 04:50 AM
BillC   You guys intimidate me. I am ok with a TIG, but I...   Jan 31 2017, 08:15 AM
bretth   One issue I have encountered while welding with th...   Jan 31 2017, 08:31 AM
amfab   You guys have me thinking about a few things. I h...   Jan 31 2017, 01:26 PM
bdstone914   Larger hole make the welds easier. 3/8 minimum.   Feb 5 2017, 11:18 AM
amfab   OK, here I am about a year later, the project bein...   Dec 5 2018, 06:58 PM
amfab   The floor pans and outer longs will be replaced by...   Dec 5 2018, 07:01 PM
amfab   The upper firewall had some sloppy patches, so I g...   Dec 5 2018, 07:13 PM
amfab   As you can see from the above patch photos the low...   Dec 5 2018, 07:25 PM
amfab   I was delayed for a few months because of work and...   Dec 5 2018, 07:30 PM
Dion   Sorry about the other cars getting nailed, that su...   Dec 5 2018, 07:38 PM
amfab   Thanks Dion, I ended up having the 993 repainted....   Dec 5 2018, 09:04 PM
amfab   I bought some Used Interlake pallet rack shelf sup...   Dec 6 2018, 01:29 PM
amfab   Once on the rotisserie the dolly frame really keep...   Dec 6 2018, 01:35 PM
76-914   Once on the rotisserie the dolly frame really kee...   Dec 6 2018, 01:52 PM
amfab   I was going about 15 mph and and a brand new—n...   Dec 6 2018, 02:00 PM
amfab   I don't know why the P.O. did this. He probabl...   Dec 6 2018, 01:42 PM
bbrock   Fantastic work. I absolutely LOVE that dolly-roti...   Dec 6 2018, 01:52 PM
amfab   Fantastic work. I absolutely LOVE that dolly-rot...   Dec 8 2018, 09:52 PM
amfab   This one comes not from the P.O.—just from rust....   Dec 6 2018, 01:53 PM
amfab   Unfortunately, the Restoration design floor pan en...   Dec 6 2018, 04:24 PM
dr914@autoatlanta.com   congrats on saving the car, we just did one that w...   Dec 6 2018, 04:32 PM
amfab   wow, when you repost the first page and I look at ...   Dec 6 2018, 04:47 PM
Tdskip   Great thread-I’m late to the party but thank you...   Dec 9 2018, 10:15 AM
amfab   Great thread-I’m late to the party but thank yo...   Dec 9 2018, 11:28 AM
Tdskip   [quote name='Tdskip' post='2672376' date='Dec 9 2...   Dec 9 2018, 12:40 PM
amfab   Well I am swearing at it today, I have some thin s...   Dec 9 2018, 02:15 PM
bbrock   Well I am swearing at it today, I have some thin ...   Dec 9 2018, 02:54 PM
Tdskip   Well I am swearing at it today, I have some thin...   Dec 9 2018, 04:46 PM
amfab   yeah, I have a couple copper backing things. Still...   Dec 9 2018, 04:51 PM
bbrock   I feel your pain. Especially hard when you spent ...   Dec 9 2018, 06:25 PM
Tdskip   What do you use to grind? Flap wheel?   Dec 9 2018, 07:56 PM
bbrock   Flap wheel generates too much heat. Too easy to w...   Dec 9 2018, 08:10 PM
amfab   Dollisserie I like that. Maybe its my fondness fo...   Dec 9 2018, 08:18 PM
bbrock   Yeah, in addition to heat, they eat a lot of metal...   Dec 9 2018, 08:55 PM
amfab   Yeah, in addition to heat, they eat a lot of meta...   Dec 9 2018, 09:05 PM


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