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> Wiring for an Engine Run Stand with DJet
doug_b_928
post May 6 2019, 07:32 PM
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I'm building an engine stand that will serve multiple purposes (transport, storage, installation/removal, and testing/break-in). The one part I have very little clue about how to do is the wiring. I've searched the forum and have seen others express an interest in having wiring info for a test stand, but it doesn't seem to be documented anywhere. So, hopefully this thread will help not only me, but also anyone else in the future who is looking to do the same.

I'm going to have the djet 'computer', manifold pressure sensor (MPS), decel valve, fuel pump, and regulator plate/relay board mounted to the stand. The ground that normally connects the battery/engine to the chassis will be grounded to the stand. The wiring for the MPS will be connected to it and the wiring for the fuel injectors, alternator, and 12 pin connector will all be connected to the regulator plate. In other words, it is as if the engine were in the car with the exception of the wiring connections at the 14 pin connector on the regulator plate.

On the stand's 'dash board' I think (please correct me if I'm wrong) I need an ignition toggle switch, a momentary starter switch, an oil pressure 'idiot' light (I'm getting a cheap LED light on sale tomorrow), a tachometer (I have a cheap, generic one from FLAPS), and lever with a cable for controlling the throttle.

So the question is, what is the correct way to wire these items? I have the figures from Jeff Bowlsby's webpage and the wiring diagrams. What I'm missing is the theory of what I need to do wiring-wise to make the engine run and get the feedback to the tachometer and idiot light. I'm hoping others who appear to have done this can chime in with their thoughts (paging @StratPlayer @VaccaRabite @michelko @mb911 @barefoot ) and wiring gurus (like @JeffBowlsby ). I assume I run wires from the battery to the two power pins on the 14 pin connector, so that the regulator plate has power. After that, although I think it should be pretty simple, I'm not 100% on how to wire the ignition, starter, tach and idiot light to the 14 pin connector. Please advise.
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post May 7 2019, 06:43 AM
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Thanks again for the SUPER CLEAR and straightforward instructions. Despite that, being me, I still have some questions for clarification:
1. Out of curiosity, what does the acronym VCC stand for?
2. For the heavy cable that goes directly from the battery + to starter, from battery + to VCC switch, and from battery - to engine and engine stand, should that be 4 gauge cable?
3. Re fusing, so should there be an in-line fuse for each electric powered by VCC?
4. What gauge of wiring is recommended for going from VCC to the electrics?
5. For the Gen light you specify an incandescent light. I'm guessing that's purposeful. My FLAPS has LED ones that I thought I'd use (I don't see incandescent versions on their website). Will these work (here's a link: https://www.princessauto.com/en/detail/gree...ght/A-p8172736e )?
6. For grounding the fuel pump, on my car it was grounded to the chassis. Is it better to connect it to the battery - or the engine stand, or no difference either way?


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post May 7 2019, 07:37 AM
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QUOTE(doug_b_928 @ May 7 2019, 08:43 AM) *

Thanks again for the SUPER CLEAR and straightforward instructions. Despite that, being me, I still have some questions for clarification:
1. Out of curiosity, what does the acronym VCC stand for?

I believe it comes from transistor circuits where the positive voltage supply is named because an NPN transistor's collector pin goes to the positive voltage. Likewise, a negative voltage is sometimes called VEE since the NPN transistor's emitter pin goes towards the negative voltage source. In general, it could be called anything. My first thought was to call it VSPOKE. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/piratenanner.gif)

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2. For the heavy cable that goes directly from the battery + to starter, from battery + to VCC switch, and from battery - to engine and engine stand, should that be 4 gauge cable?

Yes, 4 gauge is fine. You can pick this up at your FLAPS. Get cables with the battery clamp attached. The positive one should have an extra small wire coming off the clamp to run the electrics. It is very important that the battery cables be bolted onto the battery and starter and engine case. If spring clamps are used like jumper cables, it is possible for the clamps to come loose or make a bad connection and possibly damage the alternator when running.

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3. Re fusing, so should there be an in-line fuse for each electric powered by VCC?

You could do that although one fuse would be there just in case something gets shorted. The battery power in the 914 to pins 12 and 14 have no fuses between them and the battery. The fuse would be the wires themselves or the relay board.

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4. What gauge of wiring is recommended for going from VCC to the electrics?

The same size as on the car. Looks like 10-14 gauge or so.

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5. For the Gen light you specify an incandescent light. I'm guessing that's purposeful. My FLAPS has LED ones that I thought I'd use (I don't see incandescent versions on their website). Will these work (here's a link: https://www.princessauto.com/en/detail/gree...ght/A-p8172736e )?

This one must be incandescent and should be the same wattage as specified for the 914 GEN light. The current through this light could go one way or the other and needs to have a pure resistive characteristic. LEDs do not do that. They sometimes need several volts across them to turn on and light up. Also if the wattage isn't high enough, the alternator may not bootstrap itself into operation.

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6. For grounding the fuel pump, on my car it was grounded to the chassis. Is it better to connect it to the battery - or the engine stand, or no difference either way?


The battery negative terminal or the engine case will be your chassis ground.
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doug_b_928   Wiring for an Engine Run Stand with DJet   May 6 2019, 07:32 PM
Spoke   Here's a schematic of the relay board to help ...   May 6 2019, 09:47 PM
doug_b_928   @Spoke --This is terrific, thank you so much...   May 7 2019, 05:39 AM
Literati914   this is soo timely for me.. been thinking on this ...   May 6 2019, 09:52 PM
doug_b_928   Thanks again for the SUPER CLEAR and straightforwa...   May 7 2019, 06:43 AM
Spoke   Thanks again for the SUPER CLEAR and straightforw...   May 7 2019, 07:37 AM
doug_b_928   [quote name='Spoke' date='May 7 2019, ...   May 7 2019, 07:58 AM
Spoke   The positive one should have an extra small wire...   May 7 2019, 09:42 AM
VaccaRabite   Hey Doug The Gen light needs to be incandescent a...   May 7 2019, 07:44 AM
doug_b_928   Thanks for chiming in Zach. I was thinking a fuse...   May 7 2019, 08:13 AM
Mark Henry   Watching this, I have a test stand, but what I nee...   May 7 2019, 07:54 AM
doug_b_928   Oh, okay, so the big positive cable is only to the...   May 7 2019, 09:51 AM
doug_b_928   I'm making good progress on the stand, but hav...   May 11 2019, 08:59 AM
Spoke   Maybe this schematic can clear up some questions. ...   May 11 2019, 09:09 PM
Spoke   This is the type of positive battery cable to use....   May 11 2019, 09:17 PM
doug_b_928   That's very helpful, and professional, thanks ...   May 12 2019, 07:05 AM
doug_b_928   I purchased this switch for the VCC switch and sta...   May 15 2019, 05:01 PM
doug_b_928   In thinking about it, I’m guessing that I had th...   May 15 2019, 08:54 PM
doug_b_928   Overthinking, again... I’ve realized that I had...   May 16 2019, 03:15 PM
doug_b_928   Many thanks to Spoke for all of his helpful inform...   May 16 2019, 05:02 PM
doug_b_928   I finally got my engine run stand completed. It t...   May 23 2019, 08:51 PM
bbrock   Wow Doug! That is the mother of all run stand...   May 23 2019, 08:56 PM
Superhawk996   :D Nice stand. Great job! I'll likely ...   May 24 2019, 03:44 AM
doug_b_928   Thanks guys. I didn’t know that about break-in....   May 24 2019, 06:17 AM
Superhawk996   Thanks guys. I didn’t know that about break-in...   May 24 2019, 06:50 AM
VaccaRabite   The break in that I used is the Raby method from m...   May 24 2019, 07:08 AM
doug_b_928   Interesting info on break-in, guys. Jake's me...   May 25 2019, 07:30 AM
Superhawk996   I was wondering what you were going to do with tha...   May 25 2019, 07:55 AM
doug_b_928   Well....I admit that some leaked on the concrete b...   May 25 2019, 10:52 AM
cary   Thanks doug b 928, Jack and I are about ready to s...   Nov 28 2019, 10:31 AM
doug_b_928   Post up some pics/link to vid when you get it done...   Nov 28 2019, 10:40 AM
cary   D Jet was just plug and play coming out of the rel...   Nov 28 2019, 10:43 AM
doug_b_928   I'm not sure exactly what you're asking. ...   Nov 28 2019, 10:46 AM
cary   That was the question. As it is. Didn't see a...   Nov 28 2019, 11:13 AM
cary   Here's a couple shots of our progress. Engine ...   Dec 21 2019, 01:19 PM
doug_b_928   Looks really nice Cary!   Dec 22 2019, 07:54 AM
BeatNavy   That is a super sweet setup, Cary. Wouldn't e...   Dec 22 2019, 08:10 AM
Spoke   Nice looking stands. One thing I noticed about th...   Dec 22 2019, 09:28 AM
cary   Spoke ??? I ran separate fused wires to 12 & ...   Dec 30 2019, 11:12 AM
Spoke   Spoke ??? I ran separate fused wires to 12 ...   Jan 2 2020, 10:06 AM
cary   After sitting 8 years assembled the DP engine fina...   Jan 2 2020, 09:46 AM


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