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> 2.4s -6 engine fuel injection options
mb911
post Jun 26 2019, 01:31 PM
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So my 2.4 is fresh -0 miles with only start up minutes on it. I rebuilt the carbs and powdercoated the steel air filter assembly and replated all the hardware and am really thinking of selling the setup in favor of running a 3.2 fuel injection setup on likely with an aftermarket ecu as I don't think the dme will work well with my setup..

Any thoughts or experience with what I am proposing? Now note that I have done this on a 3.0 before with good success just no experience with a higher compression low displacement solex cam engine.. Thoughts?Attached Image
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post Jun 26 2019, 09:30 PM
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Mark what about cht?? And is there any base map or am I on my own?
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post Jun 27 2019, 07:03 AM
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QUOTE(mb911 @ Jun 26 2019, 11:30 PM) *

Mark what about cht?? And is there any base map or am I on my own?

I believe the temp sender I listed is for aircooled.

It will start right up with the base map. It tunes with a pendant that I mount on an old ashtray right in my heads up line of site.
It has a rich/lean knob, you do a steady rpm (say 3000) turn knob to the desired AFR on the meter (or pendant), look at the knob value, scroll to 3000rpm fuel value and enter the new value, done and onto 3250rpm. Rinse, wash, repeat.
Your map will be about 95% tuned after about a 45 minute county drive. At that time you do a data log to a laptop and look for things to improve on.

There will be many who say they don't like the system, too simple, most of the things they will cite are bells and whistles you don't need.
Below is the perceived bad points

-SDS is batch fired only, no sequential, but sequential is of little use on an aircooled because it's only effective below 3000rpm. This fact is right in the MS FAQ's. Sequential shines with fuel economy below 3000rpm, which is great for a water cooled engine, but lugging a aircooled engine below 3K isn't good.
-SDS fuel only systems doesn't have knock control, only available on the units with ignition control, but it's really of little use on a noisy aircooled engine.
-The SDS MAP sensor doesn't like a poor vacuum, for hot cams, big duration and ITB's you have to run "TPS only". MS is a hair better, but you would still have to run what MS calls "alphaN" which is a fancy name for "TPS only".
But this shouldn't be an issue at all with solex cams and the 3.2 single TB intake.
-Some can't get past the pendant tuning, too simple, too archaic, but to me it's a plus as you don't have information overload and can tune as you drive. All the missing info can be datalogged and reviewed on your laptop after you have safely pulled off the road. This can also be done in real time.

The plus
-Simplest EFI system to tune.
-No dyno tuning time needed.
-Easier learning curve for old farts (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)
-real time or saved datalogging.
-harness included, custom injector harness.
-fuel only system can be installed and running in one weekend. Of course this is the electrical only on an existing FI engine, in your case doesn't count installing the 3.2 manifold, pressure reg, pump, plumbing, mods, etc.

On a T4 single TB 1.8 and several 2.0 I've done they ran exactly like a stock factory FI system, My car with a basically stock 2.0 and C25 scat cam I ran for 3-4 years never once having the pendant installed other than the initial tune.
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mb911   2.4s -6 engine fuel injection options   Jun 26 2019, 01:31 PM
914Toy   So my 2.4 is fresh -0 miles with only start up mi...   Jun 26 2019, 04:51 PM
mb911   Contacted bitz racing about megasquirt options and...   Jun 26 2019, 05:14 PM
Larmo63   My car has run pretty sassy on Webers for a long t...   Jun 26 2019, 05:44 PM
mb911   My car has run pretty sassy on Webers for a long ...   Jun 26 2019, 06:02 PM
dr914@autoatlanta.com   No I do not think so, once the carbs are set and y...   Jun 27 2019, 11:00 AM
mepstein   I’d leave it as is - the ultimate coffee table.   Jun 26 2019, 05:52 PM
Larmo63   Yeah, I see your point now that I looked at your l...   Jun 26 2019, 06:05 PM
rktmn247   I would contact al lkosmal X-Faktory on the bird...   Jun 26 2019, 06:41 PM
Mark Henry   sdsefi.com has about the simplest learning curve a...   Jun 26 2019, 07:26 PM
mb911   sdsefi.com has about the simplest learning curve ...   Jun 26 2019, 07:34 PM
Mark Henry   sdsefi.com has about the simplest learning curve...   Jun 26 2019, 07:48 PM
mb911   Mark what about cht?? And is there any base map or...   Jun 26 2019, 09:30 PM
Mark Henry   Mark what about cht?? And is there any base map o...   Jun 27 2019, 07:03 AM
mb911   Mark it looks like something that would be perfect...   Jun 27 2019, 07:36 AM
roblav1   Same sort of boat I'm in...trying to figure ou...   Jun 27 2019, 08:45 AM
gereed75   Do not have a system running yet but have been col...   Jun 27 2019, 09:06 AM
Tdskip   @Mark Henry - what would that sort of set up cost...   Jun 27 2019, 09:13 AM
Mark Henry   Mark it looks like something that would be perfec...   Jun 27 2019, 09:57 AM
mb911   @tdskip they are about 1300-1600 depending on wha...   Jun 27 2019, 09:58 AM
Mark Henry   I don't know if that's the right head temp...   Jun 27 2019, 10:22 AM
914forme   Ben :wavebye: It seems I have the system your look...   Jun 27 2019, 01:08 PM
mb911   Ben :wavebye: It seems I have the system your loo...   Jun 27 2019, 02:12 PM
sixnotfour   the main carb problem is Todays gasoline, if thats...   Jun 27 2019, 02:20 PM
roblav1   I'm on board with George's comment... and...   Jun 27 2019, 02:29 PM
Mark Henry   I do have to agree. Big swings in altitude, dirt, ...   Jun 27 2019, 03:44 PM
mb911   I think I am going to approach this as a 2 prong a...   Jun 27 2019, 04:17 PM
roblav1   I once built ITBs for a 3.2 out of 1999 to 2000 Su...   Jun 27 2019, 05:01 PM
Mark Henry   I once built ITBs for a 3.2 out of 1999 to 2000 S...   Jun 27 2019, 06:48 PM
roblav1   Here's a few pics of my attempt back in 2013. ...   Jun 27 2019, 07:13 PM
914forme   Triple Speed Triumphs are the hot ticket @MB911 ...   Jun 27 2019, 08:31 PM
targa72e   I have used a 3.2 Intake on several engines with p...   Jun 27 2019, 11:01 PM
ClayPerrine   PMO makes throttle bodies to replace the Webers., ...   Jun 28 2019, 10:31 PM
mb911   Some parts came in this week for this.. Still plan...   Jul 13 2019, 10:03 AM
ottox914   +1 for SDS. Mark speaks the truth. i got my syst...   Jul 14 2019, 07:34 PM
rick 918-S   All that stuff is cool but if your cam isn't ...   Jul 15 2019, 12:16 PM
mepstein   All that stuff is cool but if your cam isn't...   Jul 15 2019, 01:05 PM


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