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> 0-60 for a 914/6 with 3.2?
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post Dec 22 2019, 01:45 PM
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The numbers are secondary to the driving experience of course, but just curious if anyone’s ever benchmark to their conversion against a stopwatch?
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post Dec 27 2019, 11:33 AM
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If you're looking for the "push you back in the seat" acceleration in a 914, good luck.

The short wheelbase of the car will always lead to traction issues as there it no real "weight transfer" to the rear wheels as the weight is already there so there is no real leverage. You could go with a really sticky R compound tire and hope the drivetrain stays in one piece when they don't spin (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

That feeling of acceleration is a combination of a lot of factors.
Gearing
Torque curve
Weight
Traction

The 2.7 with the shorter 2.5 gearing in my beater Boxster has a good push (gearing). It is not as impressive as the Sprintex in my R53 Mini (torque vs weight). All of them lack in comparison to my friend's 91' ZR-1 (weight/torque/gearing/traction) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

This is a conversation I've had with friends/customers/industry associates time and time again. You can build a car to do anything if you have enough money/time but there will always be a compromise somewhere in the build.

The question I always end the conversation with is, "Do you want to spend the time/money on building a car that will do what you ask or would you rather just invest that money in a car that already does and spend the time driving it?"


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post Dec 27 2019, 01:34 PM
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QUOTE(Chi-town @ Dec 27 2019, 09:33 AM) *

If you're looking for the "push you back in the seat" acceleration in a 914, good luck.

The short wheelbase of the car will always lead to traction issues as there it no real "weight transfer" to the rear wheels as the weight is already there so there is no real leverage. You could go with a really sticky R compound tire and hope the drivetrain stays in one piece when they don't spin (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

That feeling of acceleration is a combination of a lot of factors.
Gearing
Torque curve
Weight
Traction

The 2.7 with the shorter 2.5 gearing in my beater Boxster has a good push (gearing). It is not as impressive as the Sprintex in my R53 Mini (torque vs weight). All of them lack in comparison to my friend's 91' ZR-1 (weight/torque/gearing/traction) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

This is a conversation I've had with friends/customers/industry associates time and time again. You can build a car to do anything if you have enough money/time but there will always be a compromise somewhere in the build.

The question I always end the conversation with is, "Do you want to spend the time/money on building a car that will do what you ask or would you rather just invest that money in a car that already does and spend the time driving it?"



(IMG:style_emoticons/default/agree.gif) on the traction vs back in the seat issue.

For most people about 200whp in a 914 would be enough for a good back in the seat push, which is pretty attainable in most conversions. It's also low enough HP that traction shouldn't be an issue with most good sticky street tires.

I found that over 250whp lead to traction loss in first. Second barely holds about 300whp. Third is jail time. That's with a decent tire of considerable size and going straight.... Around any corner and you can forget about it.


Honestly that's really not that much power in today's world, your average luxury sedan is that fast or faster, and with traction, gearing and quick shifts it's difficult to even compare....

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Tdskip   0-60 for a 914/6 with 3.2?   Dec 22 2019, 01:45 PM
gms   The numbers are secondary to the driving experien...   Dec 22 2019, 01:54 PM
SirAndy   The numbers are secondary to the driving experien...   Dec 22 2019, 01:56 PM
Superhawk996   The numbers are secondary to the driving experie...   Dec 22 2019, 04:51 PM
Tdskip   Not bad . . . but you need AWD! :lol: The...   Dec 22 2019, 07:25 PM
Superhawk996   it’s the sensation of the unburstable torque ...   Dec 23 2019, 03:15 AM
Tdskip   You're describing what comes with instanta...   Dec 23 2019, 07:23 AM
Superhawk996   not what I am after or trying to describe. Thank...   Dec 23 2019, 08:09 AM
jd74914   Not bad . . . but you need AWD! :lol: Ther...   Dec 23 2019, 03:01 PM
Superhawk996   Not bad . . . but you need AWD! :lol: The...   Dec 23 2019, 03:30 PM
jd74914   [quote name='jd74914' post='2771948' date='Dec 23...   Dec 23 2019, 03:58 PM
Superhawk996   Dying to play with tuning on a DBW car-no one I ...   Dec 23 2019, 04:58 PM
Tdskip   @SirAndy - WOW. Thanks [b]@[url=http://www.914w...   Dec 22 2019, 02:02 PM
Coondog   I would think a six mated to a 915 trans would sho...   Dec 22 2019, 02:38 PM
mepstein   I would think a six mated to a 915 trans would sh...   Dec 22 2019, 02:52 PM
SirAndy   I would think a six mated to a 915 trans would sho...   Dec 22 2019, 03:12 PM
Tdskip   Taking off in 2nd has the advantage that you don...   Dec 22 2019, 07:17 PM
Tdskip   I would think a six mated to a 915 trans would sh...   Dec 22 2019, 02:56 PM
Marv's3.6six   I would think a six mated to a 915 trans would sh...   Dec 24 2019, 11:32 AM
mepstein   What was done to the 3.0. It could be stronger tha...   Dec 22 2019, 02:59 PM
Tdskip   What was done to the 3.0. It could be stronger th...   Dec 22 2019, 07:15 PM
IronHillRestorations   The 3.0 car I had years ago ( @GMS drove it) woul...   Dec 22 2019, 08:15 PM
gms   The 3.0 car I had years ago ( @[url=http://www.91...   Dec 23 2019, 12:51 PM
Steve   3.6 or v8 cars have no problems starting off in se...   Dec 22 2019, 08:26 PM
Coondog   3.6 or v8 cars have no problems starting off in s...   Dec 22 2019, 08:46 PM
Tdskip   No worries @superhawk996 , all good. Have a good...   Dec 23 2019, 08:21 AM
Jett   :) I am thinking about an i3 to deal with stop and...   Dec 23 2019, 10:06 AM
dr914@autoatlanta.com   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mjp1hi28rug   Dec 23 2019, 10:23 AM
Cracker   HOPEFULLY, this driver only goes to "Show ...   Dec 26 2019, 10:23 AM
oakdalecurtis   Just a small point of mind blowing reference for t...   Dec 24 2019, 11:41 AM
sixnotfour   Just a small point of mind blowing reference for ...   Dec 24 2019, 11:43 AM
Cracker   I would think "at best" the time would b...   Dec 25 2019, 12:22 PM
sixnotfour   :agree: rolling start race with a 70 Z/28 stop li...   Dec 25 2019, 02:08 PM
Superhawk996   :agree: rolling start race with a 70 Z/28 stop l...   Dec 26 2019, 09:32 AM
Chi-town   If you're looking for the "push you back ...   Dec 27 2019, 11:33 AM
Andyrew   If you're looking for the "push you back...   Dec 27 2019, 01:34 PM
campbellcj   I've come to realize that if a car doesn't...   Dec 27 2019, 01:13 PM
Superhawk996   If you want a drag car you want a high Center of G...   Dec 27 2019, 01:43 PM
mepstein   A 3.2 is a great engine in a 914 or 911 because it...   Dec 27 2019, 02:07 PM
porschetub   A 3.2 is a great engine in a 914 or 911 because i...   Dec 28 2019, 10:55 PM
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mb911   13.90 is really good 1/4 mile. My highly modded 7...   Dec 29 2019, 12:10 PM
Chi-town   My 02' WRX wagon ran 13.20 with bolt ons :lol:...   Dec 29 2019, 11:45 PM
Superhawk996   These days if it's not a sub 13 second car i...   Dec 30 2019, 11:18 AM
Tdskip   These days if it's not a sub 13 second car ...   Dec 30 2019, 02:55 PM
Superhawk996   With no soul, objectively better but subjectivel...   Dec 31 2019, 02:03 PM
mb911   For me our old cars are about the sound, smells, a...   Dec 30 2019, 03:58 PM
GeorgeRud   Yeah, you’re comparing apples to oranges on a dr...   Dec 30 2019, 04:39 PM
Superhawk996   Yeah, you’re comparing apples to oranges on a d...   Dec 31 2019, 02:07 PM
Chi-town   Yeah, you’re comparing apples to oranges on a d...   Dec 30 2019, 04:45 PM
GeorgeRud   There’s an outfit that’s making a conversion k...   Dec 30 2019, 05:11 PM
GeorgeRud   RE: 0-60 for a 914/6 with 3.2?   Dec 30 2019, 05:12 PM
tomeric914   Where's that WRX Wagon today? What about that...   Dec 30 2019, 05:38 PM
Superhawk996   Where's that WRX Wagon today? What about th...   Dec 31 2019, 02:14 PM
tomeric914   @[url=http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?showu...   Dec 31 2019, 05:13 PM
Superhawk996   Now for the kicker, we came in 3rd place overall...   Dec 31 2019, 06:13 PM
Cracker   [quote name='Superhawk996' date='Dec 3...   Dec 31 2019, 05:15 PM
Superhawk996   I might have to take exception with you here.....   Dec 31 2019, 06:02 PM
Cracker   Thanks - opinion. Cracker   Jan 1 2020, 01:00 AM
ConeDodger   Fish climbing trees... No curves, no fun.   Dec 31 2019, 06:32 PM
Superhawk996   No curves, no fun. :headbanger:   Dec 31 2019, 06:36 PM
Maltese Falcon   Before the 914 was available, this was the scene ...   Jan 1 2020, 01:41 AM
Tdskip   It would have been cool to be part of that and the...   Jan 1 2020, 10:20 AM
Maltese Falcon   It would have been cool to be part of that and th...   Jan 1 2020, 11:28 AM
Cracker   ...we took our dangerous street racing OFF the hi...   Jan 1 2020, 12:14 PM
Superhawk996   This thread really got me thinking about what the ...   Jan 1 2020, 02:21 PM


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