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> Rust repair before paint, The quest for solid metal in the driver side Long - 73 narrow body/4 rebuild thread
Montreal914
post Oct 24 2020, 05:59 PM
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Edit: I might as well make this my rebuild thread...

Original post; I got side tracked on my Microsquirt build as I have decided, after 11 years of ownership, to finally get my car painted to get her ready for her upcoming 50th birthday. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
Knowing these endeavors can take a lot more time than initially planned, I hope to make it in time... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wacko.gif)

Originally bahia red 73 1.7. The goal is a narrow body 2056 Microsquirt, VW Tornado red, 5 lugs conversion with 16" Fuchs.
Front: 914-4 A arms with rubber bushings, 911 3" pin struts, Bilstein inserts, Alfa Brembo, vented rotor, stock torsion bar, 19mm sway bar, turbo tie rods, and 19mm master cylinder.
Rear: Drilled hubs, 914 PMB stock calipers edit: 914-6 calipers replica, 914-6 solid rear rotors, 140lbs springs, stock sway bar, rubber bushings.

But before I get the pleasure of installing all of these beautiful fresh goodies, I need to tackle the not so fun stuff... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/headbang.gif)

I have already started fixing some of the rust issues and will share that progress in the near future but right now, I wanted to post some of the issues i have on the passenger side front fender. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/sad.gif) I have searched and read many of the builds here but I would like some inputs from the people who have gone through this mess.

I am trying to understand the construction of the rear part of the fender, more precisely the area joining the front cowling.

Below is a sketch of how I think it is made but i would like someone to confirm...

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Having removed the seam sealer in the upper rear area, I have discovered "this" (IMG:style_emoticons/default/dry.gif) which is not really unusual, but clearly a pain to fix. I am not sure though what I am looking at. If my sketch is correct, I guess the inner rusted layer is from the fender rear bulkhead that actually becomes an inner layer on the rear upper point of the fender by the door and cowling junction.

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I might be able to cut this from the underside preventing me from cutting the outer surface of the fender. But I would like to better understand what is happening at the junction to the body.
How many layers are there from the fender, one or two?
Is the metal peeling off at the joint to the body the metal from the bulkhead/inner layer, or is it the outer fender layer?

As a reference, this if the situation of the channel, surface rust, but how bad? Is there a way to better know without destroying? Maybe poke with a screwdriver? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/confused24.gif)

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post Oct 28 2020, 09:29 AM
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@cary ; Thank you for the input, that second cut will definitely help the removal of these spot welds on the windshield frame (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) I am looking forward receiving the sheet metal to compare with the original. What I don't like about the cross cutting of the cowl (dashed line) is that I will loose many references. The little fold that I have left out by cutting below the finished surface still keeps things located.

@Arno914 ; Thank you for sharing the pictures of that beautiful fender. Yes, this will be of great help on the details, especially since there is no seam sealer anywhere. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/drooley.gif) I do have to tackle the bottom end of it too... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif) but one nightmare at a time. I have very limited experience in this type of work, but luckily, the help on this forum is simply the best. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smilie_pokal.gif)
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Montreal914   Rust repair before paint   Oct 24 2020, 05:59 PM
cary   You got it. http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.ph...   Oct 24 2020, 06:32 PM
horizontally-opposed   All I can say is…go the distance in that area. ...   Oct 24 2020, 06:33 PM
Montreal914   @[url=http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?showu...   Oct 24 2020, 07:37 PM
cary   I'm going to ask George (AA) and Alex and Pete...   Oct 25 2020, 09:48 AM
Montreal914   Today's update. After carefully studying Cary...   Oct 25 2020, 03:37 PM
cary   Looks good. Full speed ahead. I didn't know Ge...   Oct 25 2020, 04:28 PM
Montreal914   On AA website: Part number: 91450303211A and 914...   Oct 25 2020, 04:34 PM
cary   Only cut out what you need too on either piece ......   Oct 25 2020, 05:17 PM
Montreal914   Yes, it's all about the gap and its evenness t...   Oct 25 2020, 06:10 PM
Montreal914   I worked a couple of hours last night and began to...   Oct 27 2020, 07:32 PM
Montreal914   A little more cleaning up tonight. Looking at the ...   Oct 27 2020, 10:33 PM
Arno914   Hi, here are pics of a NOS Fender I aquired a lon...   Oct 28 2020, 03:03 AM
horizontally-opposed   Hi, here are pics of a NOS Fender I aquired a lo...   Nov 6 2020, 12:16 PM
cary   I'd wait till you have the new patch panel in ...   Oct 28 2020, 08:26 AM
Arno914   Thanks to the detailed pics from Montreal914 I not...   Oct 28 2020, 08:47 AM
Montreal914   @cary ; Thank you for the input, that second cut ...   Oct 28 2020, 09:29 AM
Montreal914   Did a little work this WE. I removed some metal in...   Nov 1 2020, 08:04 PM
Montreal914   Yesterday I received my sheet metal repair pieces,...   Nov 6 2020, 12:50 AM
cary   Your now into what we/I call the art of massaging ...   Nov 6 2020, 12:08 PM
Montreal914   @Cary Here are a few pictures of the fender patc...   Nov 6 2020, 03:23 PM
cary   I'd say do the cowl section first. Then tune t...   Nov 6 2020, 03:49 PM
Montreal914   I'd say do the cowl section first. Then tune ...   Nov 6 2020, 04:08 PM
cary   Go big. You wouldn't be happy welding that sho...   Nov 6 2020, 04:24 PM
Montreal914   Go big. You wouldn't be happy welding that sh...   Nov 6 2020, 04:33 PM
Eric_Shea   If you leaf through this album, there's a ton ...   Nov 7 2020, 08:05 AM
Montreal914   @Eric_Shea Thank you for the link. Very nice pict...   Nov 15 2020, 11:33 AM
Montreal914   It has been over two months since I posted some pr...   Jan 24 2021, 05:42 PM
mb911   Looks great. That is a spot on my car I repaired a...   Jan 24 2021, 06:01 PM
Montreal914   Looks great. That is a spot on my car I repaired ...   Jan 24 2021, 06:10 PM
mb911   Looks great. That is a spot on my car I repaired...   Jan 24 2021, 06:15 PM
Montreal914   Moving on to the other problem area of this fender...   Jan 24 2021, 06:04 PM
Montreal914   Time to switch to the rear fender of that same sid...   Jan 24 2021, 06:24 PM
bkrantz   Nice work--keep it up!   Jan 24 2021, 08:49 PM
Montreal914   This weeks update: The door latch bracket deep in...   Jan 30 2021, 09:07 PM
Cairo94507   Very nicely done and great attention to detail. ...   Jan 31 2021, 10:18 AM
pencap914   Nice work Eric! Looks like my 914 will need a ...   Feb 17 2021, 06:22 PM
Montreal914   Fresh update :) Spent some time finishing the r...   Apr 23 2021, 08:12 PM
Montreal914   Battery tray! :cheer: Some like to weld it ...   Apr 23 2021, 08:47 PM
Root_Werks   Really like this thread! You've got some ...   Apr 26 2021, 03:24 PM
Montreal914   Really like this thread! You've got some...   May 1 2021, 03:55 PM
Montreal914   Now back to the main program... Removing the carp...   May 1 2021, 04:00 PM
bbrock   I just got caught up. Fantastic work. I'm en...   May 1 2021, 06:02 PM
Montreal914   I just got caught up. Fantastic work. I'm e...   May 1 2021, 09:25 PM
bbrock   Thanks for the update on the boat(s). Fantastic. ...   May 1 2021, 10:18 PM
Montreal914   Thanks for the update on the boat(s). Fantastic....   May 1 2021, 11:47 PM
Montreal914   Wow, already about 3 1/2 months since my last post...   Aug 13 2021, 11:35 AM
Montreal914   Time to move on to the engine lid, which also need...   Aug 13 2021, 12:04 PM
Montreal914   Wow it has been many months since I have updated t...   Dec 12 2021, 01:56 PM
Montreal914   Between the filter/thermostat assembly and the fro...   Dec 12 2021, 06:18 PM
Montreal914   Although I could have elected to use steel braded ...   Dec 12 2021, 07:19 PM
Montreal914   Now, that the rigid part has been completed, it is...   Dec 12 2021, 07:45 PM
bkrantz   Nice work--looks great!   Dec 12 2021, 08:05 PM
Montreal914   I am using a Mercedes Diesel oil cooler I got from...   Dec 12 2021, 08:08 PM
pete-stevers   Inspiring thread! that is a job well done...   Dec 12 2021, 10:09 PM
Montreal914   Inspiring thread! that is a job well done...   Dec 12 2021, 11:33 PM
Cairo94507   Very nicely done. That should keep your engine ni...   Dec 13 2021, 08:14 AM
Montreal914   Here I will need the input from the experienced pe...   Dec 15 2021, 11:36 AM
Luke M   I've done both of these type of repairs. My br...   Dec 15 2021, 02:34 PM
Montreal914   Thank you for the advice and pictures Luke. :) ...   Dec 15 2021, 03:27 PM
Luke M   Thank you for the advice and pictures Luke. :) ...   Dec 15 2021, 06:12 PM
Montreal914   So am I understanding that you keep the tube on th...   Dec 15 2021, 08:14 PM
Luke M   Correct. Keep the tube on the donor q-panel. Remov...   Dec 16 2021, 11:07 AM
Montreal914   After removing the blower box and the wiper assemb...   Dec 17 2021, 06:30 PM
Luke M   After removing the blower box and the wiper assem...   Dec 18 2021, 09:37 AM
Montreal914   @Luke M Antenna, humm seems like a good explanati...   Dec 18 2021, 02:45 PM
Montreal914   A little progress this weekend. I delicately remov...   Dec 20 2021, 09:14 PM
Montreal914   Today I removed the master cylinder and pedal asse...   Dec 23 2021, 05:16 PM
Montreal914   Happy New Year! Being stuck at home for the ...   Jan 1 2022, 08:06 PM
bkrantz   Very nice work!   Jan 1 2022, 09:32 PM
nivekdodge   Looks good Eric, let me know if I can help   Jan 20 2022, 09:57 PM
Montreal914   Time to add some of the progress... :smash: Beli...   Apr 8 2022, 07:14 PM
nivekdodge   How are you coming along?   Sep 24 2022, 06:53 PM
Montreal914   Thank you for asking! Clearly not as much prog...   Sep 25 2022, 01:01 AM
nivekdodge   I think I'm still leaning to the whole fender ...   Sep 25 2022, 07:57 PM
Cairo94507   Really nice work Eric. I agree with replacing the...   Sep 26 2022, 07:36 AM
930cabman   Really nice work Eric. I agree with replacing th...   Sep 27 2022, 11:59 AM
Montreal914   @nivekdodge : By double flange you mean this class...   Sep 26 2022, 08:14 AM
nathanxnathan   You know my original advice was to splice in just ...   Sep 26 2022, 10:45 AM
Montreal914   You know my original advice was to splice in just...   Sep 26 2022, 11:20 PM
nathanxnathan   Nathan, yes I still have all the pictures you sen...   Sep 27 2022, 11:39 AM
Montreal914   All good inputs!! :trophy: @nathanxnat...   Sep 27 2022, 08:03 PM
nathanxnathan   All good inputs!! :trophy: [b]@[url=h...   Sep 28 2022, 11:31 PM
nivekdodge   Eric I meant in the gap beside the trunk lid. I...   Sep 27 2022, 08:18 PM
Montreal914   I would probably attach the fender using a few sel...   Sep 29 2022, 06:53 PM
nivekdodge   I removed the tubes and almost welded the holes up...   Nov 8 2022, 08:16 PM
Montreal914   OK, time for some update. The current work is focu...   Dec 4 2022, 12:45 PM
Cairo94507   Very nicely done. :beer2:   Dec 4 2022, 03:48 PM
nathanxnathan   Lookin' good :welder: @Montreal914   Dec 4 2022, 07:35 PM
nivekdodge   Yes it does, it looks great! make sure to clea...   Dec 4 2022, 09:04 PM
Montreal914   I was able to continue the slow process of making ...   Dec 17 2022, 05:43 PM
nathanxnathan   Coming along nicely. :) I'll have to take a...   Dec 18 2022, 02:39 AM
Montreal914   @[url=http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?showu...   Dec 18 2022, 02:41 PM
nivekdodge   https://www.semproducts.com/product/rust-sh.../281...   Dec 18 2022, 08:21 PM
Montreal914   https://www.semproducts.com/product/rust-sh.../28...   Feb 24 2023, 06:21 PM
Montreal914   Another overdue update... As mentioned in the pre...   Feb 24 2023, 07:04 PM
Montreal914   Next, time to fix some of the scars created during...   Feb 24 2023, 07:37 PM
Montreal914   OK, so let's continue with this problematic lo...   Feb 24 2023, 08:03 PM
bob164   Great progress Eric, thanks for the detailed photo...   Feb 24 2023, 08:05 PM
Cairo94507   Great work Eric; a thing of beauty when the new qu...   Feb 25 2023, 08:57 AM
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