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> Colored hoses, Are they still available? Or has anyone tried dying a hose?
TonyA
post Aug 11 2020, 08:49 AM
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Maybe i ma crazy but are these available anywhere, or has anyone ever attempted to bleach and dye a hose?
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post Jan 22 2021, 06:02 PM
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w-pop, StarBear, I think you have made some interesting observations and I admire your research and efforts. After reviewing the posts, the 73 and 74 emissions manual diagrams, some photos I took of the plastic style charcoal canister in pieces, and my factory 914 parts book, I think there is a likely discrepancy, in the 1974 914 literature. Follow me:

Can we all agree that the functional purpose of the canister is to filter unburnt fuel vapor thru the charcoal matrix which then is transported to the intake for final burning rather than releasing the vapor to the atmosphere? If so we understand and agree on the operating principle. If so, then an air stream needs to transport that vapor through the matrix and then direct it to the engine intake air.

The 73 diagram shows the parallel flow of air supply stream from the engine fan and vapor stream, but the diagram also depicts a long tube from the vapor supply line which deeply penetrates the matrix, and if this were so, the vapor would mostly bypass the matrix just before it exits the canister. I think that is an issue.

The 74 diagram has the same charcoal canister diagram with the long tube but reverses the airflow. This seems logical. The vapor exits the long tube where it is deposited into the canister at the far end from where it enters the canister, then filters through the matrix carried by the airflow and exits through the canister end near where it entered. This seems plausible.

Thinking there may have been separate 73 and 74+ canisters I checked my factory parts manual and there were only two canister PNs listed, the early metal sealed tyle and the later plastic serviceable type. Two and only two part numbers over the 914 production.

I located the photos I took of an opened plastic canister. Note that there is no long vapor supply tube - vapors enter the canister near the end wall at a short stubby tube, not deep into the matrix. I don't recall and cannot tell from the photo what that smaller square white material is in the photos at that end, perhaps a filter fabric? If so it would retain charcoal dust from entering the engine if that end is also the airflow exit. At the opposite end a spring loaded air permeable plate compresses the charcoal and there is a filter fabric layer at that end. Functionally then, either end could be the airflow supply or exit end.

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If this end with both the vapor supply nipple and larger nipple is both the entrance and exit for airflow guided fuel vapors, because there is not the long fuel vapor tube as depicted in the diagrams, the the fuel vapor would not have have much exposure to the charcoal matric and hence only limited filtering effect. A short circuit as far as effective filtering goes.

So, given the actual construction of the 914 plastic charcoal canister, I am inclined to continue to believe at this point, barring new evidence, that fuel vapor and air supply enter at the same end, and exit through the single port at the opposite end to the intake...like the 73 diagram and my diagram both indicate.

What say you...


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TonyA   Colored hoses   Aug 11 2020, 08:49 AM
Dion   Tony, the only place I’ve ever seen have them ha...   Aug 13 2020, 05:00 AM
TonyA   Tony, the only place I’ve ever seen have them h...   Aug 13 2020, 07:23 PM
aturboman   Tony I have a roll each of original RED & GREE...   Aug 14 2020, 01:56 PM
TonyA   Tony I have a roll each of original RED & GRE...   Aug 14 2020, 03:26 PM
bbrock   Maybe i ma crazy but are these available anywhere...   Jan 18 2021, 10:27 AM
JeffBowlsby   OOooooh nice. Will you be taking orders for sets ...   Jan 18 2021, 10:37 AM
wonkipop   out of interest, does anyone know if the 1.8s orig...   Jan 18 2021, 04:37 PM
StarBear   out of interest, does anyone know if the 1.8s ori...   Jan 19 2021, 05:15 PM
wonkipop   [quote name='wonkipop' post='2883887' date='Jan 1...   Jan 20 2021, 03:10 AM
StarBear   [quote name='wonkipop' post='2883887' date='Jan ...   Jan 20 2021, 12:41 PM
StarBear   [quote name='wonkipop' post='2884296' date='Jan 2...   Jan 20 2021, 12:45 PM
bbrock   I stand self-corrected; looks like I have two gre...   Jan 21 2021, 08:46 AM
wonkipop   beaudy starbear. that info is great. i had an ear...   Jan 20 2021, 04:45 PM
StarBear   beaudy starbear. that info is great. i had an ea...   Jan 20 2021, 05:57 PM
StarBear   beaudy starbear. that info is great. i had an ea...   Jan 21 2021, 08:36 AM
StarBear   @wonkipop Here is a revised layout diagram, show...   Jan 21 2021, 11:51 AM
JeffBowlsby   [b]@[url=http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?s...   Jan 22 2021, 01:01 AM
wonkipop   i'm going to start a new topic on 1.8 hoses st...   Jan 21 2021, 02:24 PM
wonkipop   hmmm, its interesting. thats certainly true of the...   Jan 22 2021, 02:21 AM
StarBear   Ditto per @wonkipop; see my Virgo/Engineer evaluat...   Jan 22 2021, 09:34 AM
wonkipop   of interest re evap emissions plumbing. 73 beetle....   Jan 22 2021, 11:04 AM
wonkipop   researched this last year when replacing vacuum ho...   Jan 22 2021, 11:21 AM
wonkipop   re mr sb's thoughts on emissions engineering/w...   Jan 22 2021, 12:35 PM
wonkipop   74 emmission warranty material.   Jan 22 2021, 01:05 PM
StarBear   Wow; you da man @wonkipop ! So much to learn...   Jan 22 2021, 02:34 PM
wonkipop   i only know our cars starbear. i don't know an...   Jan 22 2021, 04:04 PM
wonkipop   vw technical booklet, date 1970. explains the evap...   Jan 22 2021, 04:16 PM
wonkipop   but this one is interesting. porsche evap emissio...   Jan 22 2021, 04:24 PM
JeffBowlsby   w-pop, StarBear, I think you have made some intere...   Jan 22 2021, 06:02 PM
wonkipop   interesting mr. b. i have a jan 74 build car. p...   Jan 22 2021, 06:45 PM
StarBear   All; I opened my cannister a few months ago to ref...   Jan 23 2021, 09:26 AM
StarBear   @DCheek IRRC, you have a 1.8L 914 and an origina...   Jan 23 2021, 12:46 PM
wonkipop   [b]@[url=http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?s...   Jan 23 2021, 11:50 PM
wonkipop   yes mr. sb. you can't find anything definitiv...   Jan 23 2021, 06:29 PM
wonkipop   a reasonably reputable 75 1.8 example. would say 9...   Jan 24 2021, 12:50 AM
StarBear   @wonkipop - You could write a research paper, for...   Jan 24 2021, 09:11 AM
StarBear   @dr914 @autoatlanta.com George - might you have an...   Jan 24 2021, 09:17 AM
StarBear   Another hose layout - presumably (?) a 74 1.8L wit...   Jan 24 2021, 09:49 AM
wonkipop   Evolution of the porsche evap system 1969-78 for 9...   Jan 24 2021, 02:23 PM
StarBear   :agree: Onward!   Jan 24 2021, 02:40 PM
wonkipop   something not in discussion so far is the 914/6. ...   Jan 25 2021, 05:07 PM
wonkipop   i took a look at the can in my 74 1.8 yesterday. i...   Jan 25 2021, 05:21 PM
JeffBowlsby   2 of the plastic cans in my inventory from 1974 2....   Jan 25 2021, 08:37 PM
wonkipop   its all pretty weird mr b. apologies about all th...   Jan 25 2021, 11:50 PM
wonkipop   a couple of guys have pulled the earlier metal can...   Jan 26 2021, 09:44 PM
bbrock   I pulled apart my metal canister and replaced the ...   Jan 27 2021, 03:37 PM
wonkipop   I pulled apart my metal canister and replaced the...   Jan 27 2021, 04:50 PM
bbrock   i'll be leaving mine alone i think. i have t...   Jan 28 2021, 09:05 AM
StarBear   i'll be leaving mine alone i think. i have ...   Jan 28 2021, 01:47 PM
JeffBowlsby   113.201.801A 69-73 (into early 1974) 914   Jan 27 2021, 04:03 PM
wonkipop   this is interesting mr. b. was in my files, a 2.0 ...   Jan 27 2021, 04:43 PM
Mark Henry   Is the hose sizes correct in the pic below, are th...   Feb 22 2021, 02:38 PM
StarBear   Is the hose sizes correct in the pic below, are t...   Feb 23 2021, 07:19 AM
JeffBowlsby   Here you go Mark, if you choose to use my hose dia...   Feb 25 2021, 03:18 AM
Mark Henry   Excellent! Thank you Jeff I have four 2.0 buil...   Feb 25 2021, 11:52 AM
StarBear   @wonkipop - getting more info. Do you know the ap...   Mar 18 2021, 03:11 PM
wonkipop   [b]@[url=http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?s...   Mar 22 2021, 01:37 AM
StarBear   Ok; here’s the best guesstimate. Counterflow hos...   Mar 24 2021, 11:12 AM
wonkipop   here is my view. the 914 is an argument between p...   Mar 25 2021, 02:34 AM
StarBear   Yeah. Think I’ll do something useful - like have...   Mar 25 2021, 02:58 PM
wonkipop   Yeah. Think I’ll do something useful - like hav...   Mar 25 2021, 07:11 PM
wonkipop   @StarBear found another 1.8 dr.914 has for sale...   Jul 3 2021, 07:08 PM
StarBear   Ah, more evidence that “we” are unique and spe...   Jul 3 2021, 08:52 PM
wonkipop   @StarBear - real special cars buddy. :beer1: o...   Jul 3 2021, 09:23 PM
rick 918-S   Bump :bump:   Sep 7 2021, 06:06 PM


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