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> Did Karman save the tooling for the 914, Like the Brits did?
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post Mar 14 2021, 11:04 AM
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I have a Triumph TR6 and my son has an MGB. British Heritage makes all of the body panels (I had to replace about half the sheet metal on my car) and reportedly obtained the dies by tracking them down after the collapse of British Leyland. What happened to the corresponding 914 dies after production ceased?
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post Mar 15 2021, 08:46 PM
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Since I have no real knowledge, I can speculate about some future tech, with detailed 3D scanning of NOS or straight donor car parts, 3D printing of low-volume dies, and then inexpensive (?) stamping of limited run panels. Sounds easy! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smash.gif)
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post Mar 16 2021, 04:57 AM
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QUOTE(bkrantz @ Mar 15 2021, 10:46 PM) *

Since I have no real knowledge, I can speculate about some future tech, with detailed 3D scanning of NOS or straight donor car parts, 3D printing of low-volume dies, and then inexpensive (?) stamping of limited run panels. Sounds easy! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smash.gif)


That's pretty well is what RD does now, except for the die is cut on a CNC mill.
One of the things that costs money when making a die is the hundreds of hours of hand polishing the die. The dies must be polished and perfect. RD can pump out the dies faster than they can polish them, any given day you can go to RD and there's at least a couple of dozen dies waiting to be polished.
All 3D printed objects I've seen, including the 3D printed Porsche pistons, stiĺl need machining or polishing. 3D metal printing tech (on this scale) isn't something that will be affordable for at least another 10- 20 years.
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QUOTE(Mark Henry @ Mar 16 2021, 04:57 AM) *

QUOTE(bkrantz @ Mar 15 2021, 10:46 PM) *

Since I have no real knowledge, I can speculate about some future tech, with detailed 3D scanning of NOS or straight donor car parts, 3D printing of low-volume dies, and then inexpensive (?) stamping of limited run panels. Sounds easy! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smash.gif)


That's pretty well is what RD does now, except for the die is cut on a CNC mill.
One of the things that costs money when making a die is the hundreds of hours of hand polishing the die. The dies must be polished and perfect. RD can pump out the dies faster than they can polish them, any given day you can go to RD and there's at least a couple of dozen dies waiting to be polished.
All 3D printed objects I've seen, including the 3D printed Porsche pistons, stiĺl need machining or polishing. 3D metal printing tech (on this scale) isn't something that will be affordable for at least another 10- 20 years.


yes, very true, cnc milling was the last big practical breakthrough between computers and metal. along with laser cutting. really sped things up and went into the realm of super accuracy.

most of what i see as printed metal objects are quite crude as you note. i wonder about the metalurgical properties of printed metal?
perhaps a bit like printed concrete, which is basically a coiled (IMG:style_emoticons/default/stromberg.gif)

the japanese may be on to something at nissan. they are masters of steel, been making swords for thousands of years. the robot machine nissan made was for want of a better word massaging the steel. it was kind of pressing the steel into shape with a point contact on both sides. if you could feed in a scanned shape, theoretically its the kind of tech that might make the jump a bit like a laser cutter or a cnc machine.
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worn   Did Karman save the tooling for the 914   Mar 14 2021, 11:04 AM
KSCarrera   I have a Triumph TR6 and my son has an MGB. Brit...   Mar 14 2021, 12:59 PM
wonkipop   would have been sold off as valuable scrap. might ...   Mar 15 2021, 01:24 PM
Mikey914   It's probably the bankruptcy that caused the l...   Mar 15 2021, 03:48 PM
bkrantz   Since I have no real knowledge, I can speculate ab...   Mar 15 2021, 08:46 PM
Mikey914   Since I have no real knowledge, I can speculate a...   Mar 15 2021, 10:44 PM
Mark Henry   Since I have no real knowledge, I can speculate a...   Mar 16 2021, 04:57 AM
wonkipop   Since I have no real knowledge, I can speculate ...   Mar 16 2021, 05:16 AM
Superhawk996   Since I have no real knowledge, I can speculate ...   Mar 16 2021, 06:04 AM
mgp4591   The dies were set up on a set of jackstands and ru...   Mar 15 2021, 08:54 PM
wysri9   Anyone who has watched the Porsche 3 d printed pis...   Mar 16 2021, 05:39 AM
wonkipop   Anyone who has watched the Porsche 3 d printed pi...   Mar 16 2021, 06:02 AM
Superhawk996   Anyone who has watched the Porsche 3 d printed pi...   Mar 16 2021, 06:11 AM
Mark Henry   Anyone who has watched the Porsche 3 d printed pi...   Mar 16 2021, 12:19 PM
wonkipop   Anyone who has watched the Porsche 3 d printed p...   Mar 16 2021, 07:07 PM
live free & drive   This is the panel fab technology I think you are r...   Mar 16 2021, 05:53 AM
wonkipop   This is the panel fab technology I think you are ...   Mar 16 2021, 05:59 AM
Mikey914   While possible to use direct laser sintering to ...   Mar 16 2021, 09:33 AM
buck toenges   While possible to use direct laser sintering to ...   Mar 16 2021, 12:30 PM
ClayPerrine   Transparent Aluminum. Come on Man! :) Tran...   Mar 16 2021, 02:50 PM
mrholland2   Transparent Aluminum. Come on Man! :) Tra...   Mar 18 2021, 09:20 AM
bkrantz   While possible to use direct laser sintering to ...   Mar 16 2021, 08:14 PM
wonkipop   While possible to use direct laser sintering to ...   Mar 17 2021, 01:40 AM
Mikey914   Apparently it was made in 2009. I'm getting ol...   Mar 16 2021, 08:01 PM
targa72e   BMW does mass produced 3D printing of parts for so...   Mar 21 2021, 01:14 PM
worn   This is great. I originally wondered what happene...   Mar 21 2021, 04:25 PM
Johny Blackstain   I would find the temptation of stamping new panels...   Mar 21 2021, 04:58 PM
ConeDodger   Speaking of the Heritage MG parts, I had an MGB fo...   Mar 21 2021, 09:38 PM


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