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> â€˜74 1.8L L-Jetronic Cold Start Low Idle, Mystery solved!
Van B
post Nov 7 2021, 04:01 PM
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Ok fellas, here’s the run down Aux Air Regulator (AAR) and Cold Start Valve (CSV)/injector both work fine. Many of you have also been keeping up with my high idle issue that we figured out.

But yet, when the car is cold, i.e. room temp, I don’t get the high idle I should on start-up. Instead she cranks a bit and then lumbers to life. Idle lopes around 700-800rpm and then smooths out as it warms.

In all other aspects of operation, the engine seems to be pretty happy.

Thoughts? Experience? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/confused24.gif)

-Van

See post #419 on page 14 for a synopsis of the outcome.
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post Nov 13 2021, 06:05 PM
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@Van B & @StarBear .

full cold start test this morning for you.
car hasn't been started for a week so fuel system has bled down to lowest pressure.

temp = 13C (55-56F).
yep its a miserable spring day in melbourne.
arctic roaring 40s cold front coming through.

no touch nothing. car on its own.

two cranks. err err bam fires.

5-6 seconds strong start at 1000 rpm.
(i figure thats the cold start injector working - so much for 50 and below).

then idle drops to bottom of tach. don't even know if its making 750 rpm.
doesn't sound like it. but its keeping itself going steady.
this lasts for 2 minutes.

at 2 minute to 3 minute mark is the interesting bit.
this is the weakest phase.
it stumbles, barely keeps itself going but L jet just won't let it die.
comes back, stumbles again comes back, does this 3 times.

at 3 minute mark it begins getting stronger. but still not there to set idle.
stops stumbling. gets even at 800 rpm.

up to 4 minute mark stays at even 800 rpm.
can feel warm air puffing out from underneath at my ankles.

at 5 minute mark hits even 850 rpm and is strong and steady.

at 6 minute mark it hits the idle we set it to back at last service which was 950 rpm.
like StarBear we found it sat there nice and even last time we tuned it so that is where we have it.

its a full 6 minutes.

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i did not do the emorygt test of pulling hose off decel valve line.
like you only get one full cold chance a day (more like a week really have to shift other french things out of the way).

awful weather coming in down here.
so i probably won't get a chance for a drive today. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/sad.gif)
but i'll let it sit while i potter about doing some other stuff and try a "cool" start later to see what it does after you leave it for most of the day.
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post Nov 13 2021, 08:48 PM
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You have to do the aar tests. They cost nothing and until you do I think next steps are really hard to guess. A low idle is always retarded timing and or a rich mix on a fuel injected engine. The aar is really key for that craptastic half warm period on these engines.
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Van B   ‘74 1.8L L-Jetronic Cold Start Low Idle   Nov 7 2021, 04:01 PM
emerygt350   Hmmm.... Are you sure about the aar? Just unplug...   Nov 7 2021, 04:13 PM
Van B   I took off the AAR and put 12v to it and watched i...   Nov 7 2021, 04:23 PM
emerygt350   The aar may work but I would still just pull it a...   Nov 7 2021, 04:47 PM
wonkipop   mine does the same. have done all the checks back...   Nov 7 2021, 04:50 PM
Van B   So, I pulled the CSV/injector today and put some t...   Nov 7 2021, 05:05 PM
wonkipop   So, I pulled the CSV/injector today and put some ...   Nov 8 2021, 03:28 AM
emerygt350   According to the manuals that is all it is suppose...   Nov 7 2021, 07:21 PM
emerygt350   I would add that mine starts right up and it does ...   Nov 7 2021, 07:24 PM
wonkipop   ps @Van B part of my conversation with mike today...   Nov 8 2021, 04:39 AM
Van B   The temp switch is an interesting point. If in fa...   Nov 8 2021, 09:17 AM
wonkipop   The temp switch is an interesting point. If in f...   Nov 8 2021, 04:16 PM
emerygt350   The temp switch is an interesting point. If in ...   Nov 8 2021, 05:30 PM
Van B   We need an online database for all these manuals. ...   Nov 8 2021, 05:44 PM
Van B   Is the cylinder head temp sensor the one on top of...   Nov 8 2021, 07:16 PM
wonkipop   Is the cylinder head temp sensor the one on top o...   Nov 8 2021, 07:28 PM
Van B   I was hoping you wouldn’t tell me that was the C...   Nov 8 2021, 07:49 PM
wonkipop   there is a technique for getting it out. and the ...   Nov 8 2021, 08:07 PM
Van B   Wonki, I will pay you money for that manual! G...   Nov 8 2021, 08:25 PM
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StratPlayer   I just had a microsquirt sys. installed on my 2.0....   Nov 9 2021, 01:09 PM
wonkipop   @Van B i just realised you are in maryland? wher...   Nov 10 2021, 04:34 PM
Van B   I’m an Air Force transplant here since 2019. My ...   Nov 10 2021, 06:57 PM
wonkipop   keep us posted on the sensor. yes texas, went the...   Nov 11 2021, 01:07 AM
Van B   So, I just googled that address. Kinda sad to see ...   Nov 11 2021, 07:58 AM
wonkipop   So, I just googled that address. Kinda sad to see...   Nov 11 2021, 04:06 PM
wonkipop   So, I just googled that address. Kinda sad to see...   Nov 11 2021, 04:07 PM
Van B   Ok folks, I’m trying to be cool here, but I canâ...   Nov 11 2021, 11:03 AM
StarBear   On my 74 1.8L, I use NGK BP6ES. The BP6S are a bit...   Nov 11 2021, 03:02 PM
Van B   On my 74 1.8L, I use NGK BP6ES. The BP6S are a bi...   Nov 11 2021, 03:57 PM
Van B   Well, now that I have four plugs that fit, the car...   Nov 11 2021, 03:54 PM
emerygt350   getting the oil pressure up as quickly as you ca...   Nov 11 2021, 04:01 PM
wonkipop   getting the oil pressure up as quickly as you c...   Nov 11 2021, 04:13 PM
wonkipop   i've just remembered something too about the h...   Nov 11 2021, 04:39 PM
emerygt350   You can also do the reverse. You can pull the cle...   Nov 11 2021, 05:24 PM
wonkipop   yes @emerygt350 , that would all work to duplica...   Nov 11 2021, 05:34 PM
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Van B   Trouble with this little project is a I get like o...   Nov 11 2021, 07:22 PM
emerygt350   Trouble with this little project is a I get like ...   Nov 11 2021, 09:30 PM
Van B   Hello all, I figured this was worth adding to the ...   Nov 12 2021, 04:14 PM
wonkipop   good stuff. the late cap'n krusty had red hot...   Nov 12 2021, 05:01 PM
Van B   I read those pages earlier today and successfully ...   Nov 12 2021, 05:23 PM
wonkipop   I read those pages earlier today and successfully...   Nov 12 2021, 06:18 PM
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wonkipop   @Van B & [b]@[url=http://www.914world.com/b...   Nov 13 2021, 06:05 PM
emerygt350   You have to do the aar tests. They cost nothing a...   Nov 13 2021, 08:48 PM
wonkipop   i just did a cool start. its about 4.5 hours later...   Nov 13 2021, 09:45 PM
wonkipop   i also have just had one other thought for Van B. ...   Nov 13 2021, 10:03 PM
Van B   Lots of science going on down under today lol...   Nov 13 2021, 10:34 PM
Van B   Forgot to attach this:   Nov 13 2021, 10:56 PM
wonkipop   :) re timing. thats why i am leaving all this al...   Nov 13 2021, 11:12 PM
Van B   That makes sense to me. That injector definitely p...   Nov 14 2021, 07:03 AM
emerygt350   Pull it off the air cleaner and cap it with your t...   Nov 14 2021, 07:28 AM
Van B   Pull it off the air cleaner and cap it with your ...   Nov 14 2021, 07:43 AM
emerygt350   Forceps don't give the best seal. Is it hard ...   Nov 14 2021, 07:56 AM
StarBear   All great stuff, mates! My flaps are on and w...   Nov 14 2021, 07:59 AM
Van B   I'm using the forceps to see if the engine wan...   Nov 14 2021, 08:00 AM
wonkipop   I'm using the forceps to see if the engine wa...   Nov 14 2021, 03:49 PM
StarBear   Here's my Virgo Engineer testing this AM: Tune...   Nov 14 2021, 11:01 AM
emerygt350   It was 30F this morning. Took almost 8 minutes of...   Nov 14 2021, 11:15 AM
wonkipop   It was 30F this morning. Took almost 8 minutes o...   Nov 14 2021, 02:38 PM
Van B   Here's my Virgo Engineer testing this AM: Tun...   Nov 14 2021, 11:54 AM
StarBear   SB, what is your idle set at? That's not muc...   Nov 14 2021, 03:11 PM
Van B   Ok that’s good info. So, your cold start high id...   Nov 14 2021, 03:41 PM
wonkipop   here is what mike (mechanic) had to say after i sh...   Nov 15 2021, 03:58 AM
emerygt350   Yeah, definitely if you are going to pull off the ...   Nov 15 2021, 12:26 PM
wonkipop   Yeah, definitely if you are going to pull off the...   Nov 15 2021, 06:48 PM
emerygt350   Yes this is way different ljet to djet but the aar...   Nov 15 2021, 07:04 PM
Porschef   I’m running Ljet on a 2056 with a 9550 cam Cold...   Nov 15 2021, 10:13 AM
Van B   That's right wonki. Bypassing the AFM will thr...   Nov 15 2021, 07:17 PM
Van B   Emery, AFM is attached to the air filter housing. ...   Nov 15 2021, 07:23 PM
emerygt350   Emery, AFM is attached to the air filter housing....   Nov 15 2021, 07:40 PM
emerygt350   Wow, so basically a pot on the throttle and a TPS ...   Nov 15 2021, 07:52 PM
wonkipop   Wow, so basically a pot on the throttle and a TPS...   Nov 15 2021, 07:59 PM
Van B   Wow, so basically a pot on the throttle and a TP...   Nov 15 2021, 08:06 PM
emerygt350   Not sure if I would say simpler than djet, possibl...   Nov 15 2021, 08:14 PM
wonkipop   [quote name='wonkipop' post='2960186' date='Nov 1...   Nov 15 2021, 08:31 PM
ClayPerrine   Wow, so basically a pot on the throttle and a TPS...   Nov 16 2021, 09:57 AM
emerygt350   Crazy. I am surprised just the flapper can tell t...   Nov 16 2021, 12:38 PM
ClayPerrine   Crazy. I am surprised just the flapper can tell ...   Nov 16 2021, 12:48 PM
wonkipop   @emery350gt :) thats the point of L jet. its a...   Nov 15 2021, 07:56 PM
wonkipop   the master has arrived ( @[url=http://www.914world...   Nov 17 2021, 01:40 AM
Van B   the master has arrived ( @[url=http://www.914worl...   Nov 17 2021, 02:46 PM
StarBear   the master has arrived ( @[url=http://www.914worl...   Nov 17 2021, 03:58 PM
wonkipop   [quote name='wonkipop' post='2960483' date='Nov 1...   Nov 17 2021, 04:21 PM
ClayPerrine   I don't see why you have to fix them.... You ...   Nov 17 2021, 07:59 AM
StarBear   I don't see why you have to fix them.... You...   Nov 17 2021, 09:17 AM
Van B   I don't see why you have to fix them.... You...   Nov 17 2021, 02:48 PM
ClayPerrine   [quote name='ClayPerrine' post='2960527' date='No...   Nov 17 2021, 03:25 PM
Big Len   Thanks Clay !!!   Nov 17 2021, 09:52 AM
Van B   Ah ok hahaha. Yeah, I’m into FLAPS!   Nov 17 2021, 03:34 PM
wonkipop   Thanks for the datsun tip @ClayPerrine . think i ...   Nov 17 2021, 04:02 PM
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