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> â€˜74 1.8L L-Jetronic Cold Start Low Idle, Mystery solved!
Van B
post Nov 7 2021, 04:01 PM
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Ok fellas, here’s the run down Aux Air Regulator (AAR) and Cold Start Valve (CSV)/injector both work fine. Many of you have also been keeping up with my high idle issue that we figured out.

But yet, when the car is cold, i.e. room temp, I don’t get the high idle I should on start-up. Instead she cranks a bit and then lumbers to life. Idle lopes around 700-800rpm and then smooths out as it warms.

In all other aspects of operation, the engine seems to be pretty happy.

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-Van

See post #419 on page 14 for a synopsis of the outcome.
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post Nov 13 2021, 11:12 PM
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re timing.
thats why i am leaving all this alone until a week at the workshop.
i know what you mean. had to thrash around with the disributor and the timing light over a leaky throttle body gasket last year.

i think i'm running tight on the air leaks front.
we buttoned all that up good a while back and smoke tested carby spray etc.

i decided to get less anecdotal today and watch what it was doing empirically against the clock instead of just what i thought i could recall.

i found minute 2 to 3 interesting and i'll talk to my mechanic tomorrow when i am out at the shop torturing myself on the falcon. i'll bet he has his usual line - "AAV"
to him thats saying the engine warming up is out of phase with the AAV closing down.
but we will test everything all over again including i think sensor ! in the AFM unit.
may as well.

its only the warm up from stone cold that is a little unusual.
the thing runs beautifully once its warm.

i am a bit inspired by your determination to get to the bottom of it and just do it.

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re the CSV after start up.
my view is it does until the thermo switch turns it off.
which might be fairly quick if things are above 50F.
its basically kind of like the AAV.
its thermoswitch is heated by a current.

if i understand it right its going to work from 50 to 68F according to my L jet manual.
the thermo might take say 4 seconds to heat from 50 to 68 and cut off.
2 seconds from 60 to 64 or whatever.

and when its below 50 it takes what it takes to get to 50 and then from there to 68.
with a proviso that no matter what it is max 20 seconds. (thats the factory man test) - otherwise you are flooded.
if it goes for 20 seconds say, its probably arctic conditions like chicago in mid winter.
nothing like that would happen in australia unless you were up at ski resort.

normally its just a quick splash of fuel like a gas pedal pump?
and its not part of warm up beyond that?
given at most it can only last for 20 seconds when its really really cold.
but thats another thing i will go through at xmas with the manual and the thermoswitch.
the only difficult is that xmas in australia is summer and its usually really hot here.
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Van B   ‘74 1.8L L-Jetronic Cold Start Low Idle   Nov 7 2021, 04:01 PM
emerygt350   Hmmm.... Are you sure about the aar? Just unplug...   Nov 7 2021, 04:13 PM
Van B   I took off the AAR and put 12v to it and watched i...   Nov 7 2021, 04:23 PM
emerygt350   The aar may work but I would still just pull it a...   Nov 7 2021, 04:47 PM
wonkipop   mine does the same. have done all the checks back...   Nov 7 2021, 04:50 PM
Van B   So, I pulled the CSV/injector today and put some t...   Nov 7 2021, 05:05 PM
wonkipop   So, I pulled the CSV/injector today and put some ...   Nov 8 2021, 03:28 AM
emerygt350   According to the manuals that is all it is suppose...   Nov 7 2021, 07:21 PM
emerygt350   I would add that mine starts right up and it does ...   Nov 7 2021, 07:24 PM
wonkipop   ps @Van B part of my conversation with mike today...   Nov 8 2021, 04:39 AM
Van B   The temp switch is an interesting point. If in fa...   Nov 8 2021, 09:17 AM
wonkipop   The temp switch is an interesting point. If in f...   Nov 8 2021, 04:16 PM
emerygt350   The temp switch is an interesting point. If in ...   Nov 8 2021, 05:30 PM
Van B   We need an online database for all these manuals. ...   Nov 8 2021, 05:44 PM
Van B   Is the cylinder head temp sensor the one on top of...   Nov 8 2021, 07:16 PM
wonkipop   Is the cylinder head temp sensor the one on top o...   Nov 8 2021, 07:28 PM
Van B   I was hoping you wouldn’t tell me that was the C...   Nov 8 2021, 07:49 PM
wonkipop   there is a technique for getting it out. and the ...   Nov 8 2021, 08:07 PM
Van B   Wonki, I will pay you money for that manual! G...   Nov 8 2021, 08:25 PM
wonkipop   Wonki, I will pay you money for that manual! ...   Nov 8 2021, 09:18 PM
wonkipop   here you are Van, found it for you. http://p914-6...   Nov 8 2021, 08:47 PM
Van B   Oh man this is gold! Thank you good Sir!   Nov 8 2021, 08:52 PM
wonkipop   Oh man this is gold! Thank you good Sir! ...   Nov 8 2021, 09:06 PM
Van B   Mine came with a lifetime of records, even the ori...   Nov 8 2021, 10:59 PM
wonkipop   thats great. sounds like you picked up a real nic...   Nov 8 2021, 11:37 PM
StratPlayer   I just had a microsquirt sys. installed on my 2.0....   Nov 9 2021, 01:09 PM
wonkipop   @Van B i just realised you are in maryland? wher...   Nov 10 2021, 04:34 PM
Van B   I’m an Air Force transplant here since 2019. My ...   Nov 10 2021, 06:57 PM
wonkipop   keep us posted on the sensor. yes texas, went the...   Nov 11 2021, 01:07 AM
Van B   So, I just googled that address. Kinda sad to see ...   Nov 11 2021, 07:58 AM
wonkipop   So, I just googled that address. Kinda sad to see...   Nov 11 2021, 04:06 PM
wonkipop   So, I just googled that address. Kinda sad to see...   Nov 11 2021, 04:07 PM
Van B   Ok folks, I’m trying to be cool here, but I canâ...   Nov 11 2021, 11:03 AM
StarBear   On my 74 1.8L, I use NGK BP6ES. The BP6S are a bit...   Nov 11 2021, 03:02 PM
Van B   On my 74 1.8L, I use NGK BP6ES. The BP6S are a bi...   Nov 11 2021, 03:57 PM
Van B   Well, now that I have four plugs that fit, the car...   Nov 11 2021, 03:54 PM
emerygt350   getting the oil pressure up as quickly as you ca...   Nov 11 2021, 04:01 PM
wonkipop   getting the oil pressure up as quickly as you c...   Nov 11 2021, 04:13 PM
wonkipop   i've just remembered something too about the h...   Nov 11 2021, 04:39 PM
emerygt350   You can also do the reverse. You can pull the cle...   Nov 11 2021, 05:24 PM
wonkipop   yes @emerygt350 , that would all work to duplica...   Nov 11 2021, 05:34 PM
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wonkipop   yes [b]@[url=http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index...   Nov 11 2021, 07:04 PM
StarBear   yes [b]@[url=http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index....   Nov 11 2021, 06:19 PM
Van B   Trouble with this little project is a I get like o...   Nov 11 2021, 07:22 PM
emerygt350   Trouble with this little project is a I get like ...   Nov 11 2021, 09:30 PM
Van B   Hello all, I figured this was worth adding to the ...   Nov 12 2021, 04:14 PM
wonkipop   good stuff. the late cap'n krusty had red hot...   Nov 12 2021, 05:01 PM
Van B   I read those pages earlier today and successfully ...   Nov 12 2021, 05:23 PM
wonkipop   I read those pages earlier today and successfully...   Nov 12 2021, 06:18 PM
Van B   Found this on the YouTubes: FGEvf16nNQM This is e...   Nov 12 2021, 05:44 PM
StarBear   Found this on the YouTubes: FGEvf16nNQM This is ...   Nov 12 2021, 06:34 PM
wonkipop   @Van B & [b]@[url=http://www.914world.com/b...   Nov 13 2021, 06:05 PM
emerygt350   You have to do the aar tests. They cost nothing a...   Nov 13 2021, 08:48 PM
wonkipop   i just did a cool start. its about 4.5 hours later...   Nov 13 2021, 09:45 PM
wonkipop   i also have just had one other thought for Van B. ...   Nov 13 2021, 10:03 PM
Van B   Lots of science going on down under today lol...   Nov 13 2021, 10:34 PM
Van B   Forgot to attach this:   Nov 13 2021, 10:56 PM
wonkipop   :) re timing. thats why i am leaving all this al...   Nov 13 2021, 11:12 PM
Van B   That makes sense to me. That injector definitely p...   Nov 14 2021, 07:03 AM
emerygt350   Pull it off the air cleaner and cap it with your t...   Nov 14 2021, 07:28 AM
Van B   Pull it off the air cleaner and cap it with your ...   Nov 14 2021, 07:43 AM
emerygt350   Forceps don't give the best seal. Is it hard ...   Nov 14 2021, 07:56 AM
StarBear   All great stuff, mates! My flaps are on and w...   Nov 14 2021, 07:59 AM
Van B   I'm using the forceps to see if the engine wan...   Nov 14 2021, 08:00 AM
wonkipop   I'm using the forceps to see if the engine wa...   Nov 14 2021, 03:49 PM
StarBear   Here's my Virgo Engineer testing this AM: Tune...   Nov 14 2021, 11:01 AM
emerygt350   It was 30F this morning. Took almost 8 minutes of...   Nov 14 2021, 11:15 AM
wonkipop   It was 30F this morning. Took almost 8 minutes o...   Nov 14 2021, 02:38 PM
Van B   Here's my Virgo Engineer testing this AM: Tun...   Nov 14 2021, 11:54 AM
StarBear   SB, what is your idle set at? That's not muc...   Nov 14 2021, 03:11 PM
Van B   Ok that’s good info. So, your cold start high id...   Nov 14 2021, 03:41 PM
wonkipop   here is what mike (mechanic) had to say after i sh...   Nov 15 2021, 03:58 AM
emerygt350   Yeah, definitely if you are going to pull off the ...   Nov 15 2021, 12:26 PM
wonkipop   Yeah, definitely if you are going to pull off the...   Nov 15 2021, 06:48 PM
emerygt350   Yes this is way different ljet to djet but the aar...   Nov 15 2021, 07:04 PM
Porschef   I’m running Ljet on a 2056 with a 9550 cam Cold...   Nov 15 2021, 10:13 AM
Van B   That's right wonki. Bypassing the AFM will thr...   Nov 15 2021, 07:17 PM
Van B   Emery, AFM is attached to the air filter housing. ...   Nov 15 2021, 07:23 PM
emerygt350   Emery, AFM is attached to the air filter housing....   Nov 15 2021, 07:40 PM
emerygt350   Wow, so basically a pot on the throttle and a TPS ...   Nov 15 2021, 07:52 PM
wonkipop   Wow, so basically a pot on the throttle and a TPS...   Nov 15 2021, 07:59 PM
Van B   Wow, so basically a pot on the throttle and a TP...   Nov 15 2021, 08:06 PM
emerygt350   Not sure if I would say simpler than djet, possibl...   Nov 15 2021, 08:14 PM
wonkipop   [quote name='wonkipop' post='2960186' date='Nov 1...   Nov 15 2021, 08:31 PM
ClayPerrine   Wow, so basically a pot on the throttle and a TPS...   Nov 16 2021, 09:57 AM
emerygt350   Crazy. I am surprised just the flapper can tell t...   Nov 16 2021, 12:38 PM
ClayPerrine   Crazy. I am surprised just the flapper can tell ...   Nov 16 2021, 12:48 PM
wonkipop   @emery350gt :) thats the point of L jet. its a...   Nov 15 2021, 07:56 PM
wonkipop   the master has arrived ( @[url=http://www.914world...   Nov 17 2021, 01:40 AM
Van B   the master has arrived ( @[url=http://www.914worl...   Nov 17 2021, 02:46 PM
StarBear   the master has arrived ( @[url=http://www.914worl...   Nov 17 2021, 03:58 PM
wonkipop   [quote name='wonkipop' post='2960483' date='Nov 1...   Nov 17 2021, 04:21 PM
ClayPerrine   I don't see why you have to fix them.... You ...   Nov 17 2021, 07:59 AM
StarBear   I don't see why you have to fix them.... You...   Nov 17 2021, 09:17 AM
Van B   I don't see why you have to fix them.... You...   Nov 17 2021, 02:48 PM
ClayPerrine   [quote name='ClayPerrine' post='2960527' date='No...   Nov 17 2021, 03:25 PM
Big Len   Thanks Clay !!!   Nov 17 2021, 09:52 AM
Van B   Ah ok hahaha. Yeah, I’m into FLAPS!   Nov 17 2021, 03:34 PM
wonkipop   Thanks for the datsun tip @ClayPerrine . think i ...   Nov 17 2021, 04:02 PM
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