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Clubsport32
post Nov 7 2021, 01:13 AM
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Hi All

Have seen this on an unrestored car…does anybody have anymore details…? I assume the 022 refers to the 1.7L but what about the other number?

Any insight would be appreciated…thanks

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post Dec 16 2021, 04:23 PM
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@JeffBowlsby

after all the info came in from members with 1.8s - and some searching through older BAT ads with lots of detail photos we turned up the following on engine tin number stamps.

by and large 4 numbers.

604, 605, 606, 607.

we have reliable original cars with 604.
these are EC-B (for all intents and purposes established as EPA/49 state).
these cars are 1.8s that came new without the console and gauge pack.

we have reliable original car with 605.
this is an EC-B. this car came with the console gauge pack from new.

(i always thought the 1.8s did not get a guage/console option like the 2.0s but turns out they did, StarBear got one).

we have a reliable original car with 606.
this is an EC-A (for all intents and purposes the california car since it has the CARB approval). this car was a base 1.8 from new with no gauges/console.

i found a detailed BAT ad with a well documented EC-A with 607.
documents show it came new with gauges and console.

we know from parts manual that EC-B came with different throttle body than EC-A.
EC-B definitely had two port throttle body and full distributor hook up.
it seems very likely that EC-A had single port throttle body and only one hose hookup to distributor.

from parts manual the only other difference i can find in 1.8s is provision for guage hookup with engine. the so called Taco Plate.

i think this is a possibility.

EC-B no guage/console = 604
EC-B guage/console = 605
EC-A no guage/console = 606
EC-A guage/console - 607.

we have a spread on these 600 series numbers from 11/73 to 06/74,
so they use them throughout 74 MY production run.

is support of this i found some material for type 1 engines for beetles.
these are stamped with M followed by three numbers.
those codes describe what the engine has in terms of specific carburettors or fuel injection. it meant the right engine came out of stock to be mated with the right fitted out body at the end of the production line.

i think a similar thing goes on with 914s when you look at the factory photos.
the virtually fully finished and fitted out bodies are mated with the suspension and drive train right at the end.

you want the correct engine going in the correct body.
and there are only 4 variables as far as i can tell.
they need to know this as the cars are not really being built in batches.
we have found EC-A and EC-B cars built only a few numbers apart on the line.

IO it turns out is for engines that failed initial inspection and had some rectification required. after rectification they were stamped in order and returned to the line.

there is one other number i found on a BAT advertised car.
it was d370 and the engine looked to be a EC-B.
a good guess might be a replacement engine under warranty?
or something like that.
when i get time to spare at odd moments i'll try and keep searching out these codes.
i have found a fair bit on the ones for type 1 engines.
but the type 4 stuff is not information floating around.
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Clubsport32   Tinware writing   Nov 7 2021, 01:13 AM
davep   I think most engines had the markings. With all th...   Nov 7 2021, 06:22 AM
StarBear   Those number are quite different than any I’ve s...   Nov 10 2021, 08:02 PM
wonkipop   sure look different to mine too. mine probably loo...   Nov 11 2021, 01:44 AM
StarBear   This is what every one I've ever seen looks li...   Nov 12 2021, 10:29 AM
wonkipop   mine looks like that- sort of. number is 604 inst...   Nov 12 2021, 04:15 PM
StarBear   There was a thread a few months ago. Might make se...   Nov 12 2021, 06:04 PM
davep   I do not believe these were stenciled; it looks mo...   Nov 12 2021, 09:49 PM
wonkipop   I do not believe these were stenciled; it looks m...   Nov 13 2021, 01:34 AM
StarBear   Wow! How do you find this stuff? Great job; ke...   Nov 13 2021, 06:55 AM
wonkipop   its part of my real job - historical research. we...   Nov 13 2021, 03:24 PM
JeffBowlsby   I have a good colleciotn of these on my webpage. ...   Nov 13 2021, 03:39 PM
JeffBowlsby   According to my list: 604 is a 1974 1.8L, but I d...   Nov 13 2021, 03:49 PM
wonkipop   According to my list: 604 is a 1974 1.8L, but I ...   Nov 13 2021, 04:03 PM
wonkipop   According to my list: 604 is a 1974 1.8L, but I ...   Nov 13 2021, 07:35 PM
JeffBowlsby   mr. b, whats the little silver sticker under the...   Nov 13 2021, 08:46 PM
wonkipop   [quote name='wonkipop' post='2959676' date='Nov 1...   Nov 13 2021, 09:06 PM
JeffBowlsby   an EC-A is a frunk can car with the porsche evap...   Nov 13 2021, 11:04 PM
wonkipop   an EC-A is a frunk can car with the porsche eva...   Nov 14 2021, 12:27 AM
wonkipop   i've seen a snatch of footage where you can se...   Nov 13 2021, 03:59 PM
wonkipop   ok mr. b mine is an EC-B on that sticker. jan 74...   Nov 13 2021, 04:06 PM
StarBear   Yep; just checked sticker: EC-B. States “Califor...   Nov 13 2021, 05:48 PM
wonkipop   Yep; just checked sticker: EC-B. States “Califo...   Nov 13 2021, 06:30 PM
StarBear   i really feel its a batching thing. but thats a...   Nov 14 2021, 11:12 AM
StarBear   Not sure. JEff’s first post indicates 605 EC-B i...   Nov 13 2021, 05:53 PM
wonkipop   @[url=http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?showu...   Nov 13 2021, 07:23 PM
JeffBowlsby   Tellin' yah all I know, which isn't sayin...   Nov 13 2021, 08:38 PM
wonkipop   mr b was there any difference between a cali 2.0 ...   Nov 13 2021, 09:16 PM
JeffBowlsby   A conditional yes. Depends on how ‘engine’ is...   Nov 13 2021, 09:45 PM
wonkipop   A conditional yes. Depends on how ‘engine’ i...   Nov 14 2021, 12:36 AM
wonkipop   fascinating. there is nothing in the factory manu...   Nov 13 2021, 10:23 PM
wonkipop   ps @JeffBowlsby . i'm still looking at that ...   Nov 14 2021, 12:33 AM
JeffBowlsby   ps [b]@[url=http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.p...   Nov 14 2021, 09:22 AM
wonkipop   ps [b]@[url=http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index....   Nov 14 2021, 02:08 PM
wonkipop   ok @[url=http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?...   Nov 14 2021, 12:51 AM
JeffBowlsby   Wonk, That page from the 75 S&T manual also i...   Nov 14 2021, 08:40 AM
wonkipop   @JeffBowlsby mr. b i found this in factory manu...   Nov 14 2021, 01:49 PM
StarBear   Here's my engine bay sticker. Clean and clear....   Nov 14 2021, 04:02 PM
JeffBowlsby   1973 1.7L EB code has lower compression, to meet C...   Nov 14 2021, 04:26 PM
wonkipop   1973 1.7L EB code has lower compression, to meet ...   Nov 15 2021, 02:51 AM
wonkipop   1973 1.7L EB code has lower compression, to meet ...   Nov 15 2021, 06:38 AM
JeffBowlsby   914 mysteries continue...   Nov 15 2021, 07:27 AM
StarBear   Good info. @wonkipop looks like your vin number ...   Nov 15 2021, 07:58 AM
wonkipop   Good info. @[url=http://www.914world.com/bbs2/in...   Nov 15 2021, 08:17 PM
wonkipop   @StarBear . mine is 13361 for last 5 digits. [b...   Nov 15 2021, 06:23 PM
JeffBowlsby   Wow...I think you are on to something. I dont knw...   Nov 15 2021, 06:54 PM
StarBear   Wow...I think you are on to something. I dont kn...   Nov 15 2021, 09:13 PM
wonkipop   Wow...I think you are on to something. I dont kn...   Nov 15 2021, 11:19 PM
StarBear   OK; Here are my "unmolested" 1.8L data: ...   Nov 16 2021, 09:04 AM
wonkipop   @StarBear . distributor superseded PN is handy i...   Nov 16 2021, 02:55 PM
StarBear   Yep; my TB is original. Curiosity is telling me to...   Nov 16 2021, 03:48 PM
wonkipop   Yep; my TB is original. Curiosity is telling me t...   Nov 16 2021, 04:36 PM
wonkipop   @StarBear & [b]@[url=http://www.914world.com...   Nov 17 2021, 02:14 AM
StarBear   Awesome investigative work, @wonkipop ! Yep;...   Nov 17 2021, 07:21 AM
wonkipop   Awesome investigative work, @[url=http://www.914...   Nov 17 2021, 04:47 PM
StarBear   Maybe that little “1” I saw was an “L”. Wi...   Nov 17 2021, 05:02 PM
wonkipop   Maybe that little “1” I saw was an “L”. W...   Nov 17 2021, 05:12 PM
StarBear   Maybe that little “1” I saw was an “L”. ...   Nov 17 2021, 08:14 PM
wonkipop   something i got to check is i swear i came across ...   Nov 17 2021, 05:10 PM
wonkipop   i had to reread up how VW parts numbers work again...   Nov 17 2021, 09:42 PM
StarBear   I wonder if (?) the other letters denote the secon...   Nov 18 2021, 07:12 AM
wonkipop   I wonder if (?) the other letters denote the seco...   Nov 18 2021, 04:47 PM
wonkipop   @StarBear . you are right about letters being man...   Nov 19 2021, 10:43 PM
wonkipop   @JeffBowlsby . there are plenty of threads you ca...   Nov 19 2021, 10:49 PM
wonkipop   @StarBear & [b]@[url=http://www.914world.com...   Nov 19 2021, 11:15 PM
wonkipop   @StarBear . further thought on what the H on TB m...   Nov 20 2021, 01:10 AM
wonkipop   difference between a 74 1.8 throttle body and a 75...   Nov 20 2021, 03:10 PM
wonkipop   @[url=http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?showu...   Nov 20 2021, 04:58 PM
wonkipop   a bit more information re EC engines in USA cars. ...   Nov 22 2021, 05:49 PM
wonkipop   i did some more trawling through older car ads sti...   Nov 22 2021, 06:35 PM
wonkipop   SUMMARY OF POSITIONS OF VACUUM HOSES BY EXPERTS. ...   Nov 22 2021, 10:40 PM
StarBear   Hmmmm…. Thinking I should add the two unconnecte...   Nov 23 2021, 07:38 AM
wonkipop   @StarBear . depends how fanatical you want to be a...   Nov 23 2021, 03:42 PM
wonkipop   last night i did a bit of reading up on 1973. not...   Nov 23 2021, 04:42 PM
StarBear   My head and brain hurt….. :blink:   Nov 23 2021, 06:59 PM
wonkipop   @StarBear - not as much as mine did trying to wor...   Nov 23 2021, 07:12 PM
wonkipop   @StarBear here is the quick summary version. EC...   Nov 23 2021, 08:16 PM
StarBear   Yep; that sums it up nicely! Interested to see...   Nov 24 2021, 07:52 AM
wonkipop   Yep; that sums it up nicely! Interested to se...   Nov 24 2021, 02:26 PM
StarBear   [quote name='StarBear' post='2962122' date='Nov 2...   Nov 24 2021, 03:12 PM
wonkipop   @StarBear . Found another one that was for sale a...   Nov 24 2021, 05:06 PM
StarBear   More interesting stuff. Found the tuneup sticker t...   Nov 24 2021, 05:37 PM
JeffBowlsby   I dont, sorry. I right click alot and dont recall...   Nov 24 2021, 06:00 PM
StarBear   I dont, sorry. I right click alot and dont recal...   Nov 24 2021, 06:10 PM
wonkipop   I dont, sorry. I right click alot and dont recal...   Nov 24 2021, 08:05 PM
wonkipop   they draw both ports on the dizzy diagrams @StarB...   Nov 24 2021, 07:56 PM
StarBear   A thought- lots of members listing early 74s in th...   Nov 24 2021, 08:20 PM
wonkipop   A thought- lots of members listing early 74s in t...   Nov 24 2021, 09:11 PM
wonkipop   @StarBear found this. maybe of interest. don...   Nov 25 2021, 05:39 AM
StarBear   Interesting. Good idea with the new thread; maybe ...   Nov 25 2021, 07:46 AM
wonkipop   another good one i found digging back into sales a...   Nov 25 2021, 05:26 PM
wonkipop   @JeffBowlsby free first service card. i gu...   Nov 25 2021, 05:40 PM
wonkipop   firm confirmation of plumbing to engine bay charco...   Nov 25 2021, 05:53 PM
wonkipop   14 jan 74 car at top of page is exactly same as mi...   Nov 25 2021, 07:57 PM
wonkipop   @JeffBowlsby after all the info came in from mem...   Dec 16 2021, 04:23 PM
JeffBowlsby   @wonkipop Wonki...Your research is exhaustive, a...   Dec 16 2021, 05:27 PM
StarBear   [b]@[url=http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?s...   Dec 17 2021, 09:23 AM
wonkipop   its still a bit of a speculation. its hard to get...   Dec 16 2021, 07:32 PM
Van B   Strangely enough I have two distinct thoughts as I...   Dec 16 2021, 07:52 PM
JeffBowlsby   The center console /gauges were just an optional e...   Dec 17 2021, 01:03 AM
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