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> Attention Electrical Gurus, Need help with windshield washer wiring
bbrock
post Jul 28 2022, 07:17 PM
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Right after ordering a complete Car Magic kit to convert my windshield washer to electric, I read Sir Andy's excellent tech article on the conversion. The idea of pulling power for the washer pump off the intermittent wiper feed so the washer is activated by pulling back on the wiper lever was too elegant not to try.

I happened to have this nifty vintage VW style splitter I bought some time ago for not other reason than I thought it might come in handy for some future custom wiring project. It was just the ticket for splitting off of my intermittent washer relay to power the washer pump.

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After hooking everything up, I pulled back on the wiper lever and HUZZAH! The washers squirted and the wipers ran for two sweeps and parked. Pretty slick! I couldn't understand how the intermittent wipers would work when the lever was pulled down to turn the intermittent wipers on. I pull down on the lever to test them and nothing. As soon as I unplug the washer pump, the intermittent wipers start running. I'm not sure how the intermittent relay works, but thinking the timer is from charging a capacitor which then "bump starts" the wipers to run a single cycle.

Is there is a reasonably simple way to isolate the pump so it allows the intermittent mechanism to run without activating the washer pump? Could be a fun project. Or should I just go back to the original plan of installing the Car Magic switch? I just like the idea of minimizing the wiring.
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post Aug 2 2022, 03:50 AM
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Sounds like the intermittent relay needs a couple of volts to engage. If 2 diodes work then fantastic. The 1N4001 may be ok to use as the motor may not draw that much current. Also as you get higher current diodes the diode needs more current to get the same voltage drop so a larger diode may not work well.

You are correct about Schottky diodes; they have much lower ON voltage and not well suited for your application.
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bbrock   Attention Electrical Gurus   Jul 28 2022, 07:17 PM
Spoke   @bbrock Do you have documentation describing the...   Jul 29 2022, 09:20 AM
bbrock   @[url=http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?show...   Jul 29 2022, 10:04 AM
Superhawk996   Instead of the kit, I'm branching off the br...   Jul 31 2022, 01:46 PM
bbrock   Instead of the kit, I'm branching off the b...   Jul 31 2022, 01:51 PM
dr914@autoatlanta.com   intermittent is activated by pulling the stalk dow...   Jul 29 2022, 11:02 AM
FlacaProductions   As George says - but do you have the tab broken ou...   Jul 29 2022, 11:53 AM
bbrock   Let's back up a bit. My intermittent wipers w...   Jul 29 2022, 12:45 PM
lesorubcheek   It's kinda difficult looking at the wiring dia...   Jul 29 2022, 01:45 PM
bbrock   It's kinda difficult looking at the wiring di...   Jul 29 2022, 04:52 PM
lesorubcheek   I know the feeling. You just can't let this go...   Jul 29 2022, 07:47 PM
bbrock   I know the feeling. You just can't let this g...   Jul 29 2022, 10:52 PM
Spoke   I've been following this discussion but haven...   Jul 31 2022, 04:44 PM
bbrock   I've been following this discussion but haven...   Jul 31 2022, 05:09 PM
Spoke   Ah! There is something I should have explai...   Jul 31 2022, 06:10 PM
bbrock   [b]@[url=http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?...   Jul 31 2022, 06:45 PM
Spoke   @bbrock I'm not sure how pulling back on the...   Jul 29 2022, 09:54 PM
bbrock   [b]@[url=http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?s...   Jul 29 2022, 10:40 PM
bbrock   My previous post was incorrect. It was dark in th...   Jul 30 2022, 10:29 AM
Superhawk996   I apologize I'm worthless for this thread. Al...   Jul 30 2022, 10:36 AM
bbrock   I apologize I'm worthless for this thread. A...   Jul 30 2022, 11:20 AM
Superhawk996   I apologize I'm worthless for this thread. ...   Jul 30 2022, 11:38 AM
bbrock   Can you post a more comprehensive circuit diagra...   Jul 30 2022, 12:41 PM
Superhawk996   The circuit is so simple there is really no need...   Jul 30 2022, 01:18 PM
bbrock   The circuit is so simple there is really no nee...   Jul 30 2022, 03:51 PM
Bartlett 914   It has been awhile since I worked with the washer ...   Jul 30 2022, 01:08 PM
bbrock   I went ahead and ordered one of these low voltage ...   Jul 31 2022, 10:16 AM
Superhawk996   I went ahead and ordered one of these low voltage...   Jul 31 2022, 10:27 AM
windforfun   I went ahead and ordered one of these low voltag...   Jul 31 2022, 10:32 AM
bbrock   I went ahead and ordered one of these low voltag...   Jul 31 2022, 11:29 AM
Superhawk996   Here, I added the "complicated" part f...   Jul 31 2022, 11:43 AM
Superhawk996   @bbrock Do you actually have your intermittent r...   Jul 31 2022, 12:50 PM
bbrock   [b]@[url=http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?s...   Jul 31 2022, 01:42 PM
Superhawk996   You're explanation of the grn/wht wire make...   Jul 31 2022, 01:58 PM
bbrock   [quote name='bbrock' post='3019478' date='Jul 31 ...   Jul 31 2022, 02:07 PM
bbrock   No -- that brown / black doesn't get ground t...   Jul 31 2022, 02:26 PM
lesorubcheek   Anyway, the DMM says this. Pull back the lever a...   Jul 31 2022, 02:54 PM
Superhawk996   just saw your other post Yes - the schematics are...   Jul 31 2022, 01:48 PM
bbrock   just saw your other post Yes - the schematics ar...   Jul 31 2022, 01:59 PM
bbrock   And I agree about the confusion. I'm not a fa...   Jul 31 2022, 02:09 PM
Superhawk996   I don't think you'll be able to get the co...   Jul 31 2022, 02:26 PM
bbrock   I don't think you'll be able to get the c...   Jul 31 2022, 02:31 PM
Superhawk996   :idea: Ok now I think I understand your idea bet...   Jul 31 2022, 02:58 PM
bbrock   :idea: Ok now I think I understand your idea be...   Jul 31 2022, 03:47 PM
Superhawk996   Now that I've had some time to think about the...   Jul 31 2022, 04:10 PM
bbrock   Now that I've had some time to think about th...   Jul 31 2022, 04:57 PM
Superhawk996   Don't think that one will work. It switches...   Jul 31 2022, 05:17 PM
Spoke   Now that I've had some time to think about t...   Jul 31 2022, 06:31 PM
bbrock   I think I agree with you about the switching. Th...   Jul 31 2022, 06:56 PM
Spoke   Yes, but the voltage readings are small. In the...   Jul 31 2022, 07:39 PM
bbrock   Yes, but the voltage readings are small. In th...   Jul 31 2022, 08:42 PM
Superhawk996   I shouldn't have called this a "simple...   Aug 1 2022, 06:38 AM
bbrock   I shouldn't have called this a "simple...   Aug 1 2022, 08:39 AM
Superhawk996   I still say we didn't need the full schematic...   Aug 1 2022, 09:03 AM
lesorubcheek   If the goal is to have an open circuit at S on the...   Aug 1 2022, 12:03 PM
Spoke   If the goal is to have an open circuit at S on th...   Aug 1 2022, 05:08 PM
bbrock   [quote name='lesorubcheek' post='3019726' date='A...   Aug 1 2022, 06:18 PM
lesorubcheek   [quote name='lesorubcheek' post='3019726' date='...   Aug 1 2022, 06:34 PM
bbrock   I did . . . just because that is the way I...   Aug 1 2022, 01:40 PM
Superhawk996   Here's the blurb from the 73' owner's ...   Aug 1 2022, 06:53 AM
bbrock   GENIUS! Dug through my spares and found an un...   Aug 1 2022, 06:55 PM
Spoke   Sounds like the intermittent relay needs a couple ...   Aug 2 2022, 03:50 AM
bbrock   Sounds like the intermittent relay needs a couple...   Aug 2 2022, 08:12 AM
Spoke   @bbrock Either BY880 diodes will work. According...   Aug 2 2022, 08:31 AM
bbrock   @[url=http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?show...   Aug 2 2022, 10:55 AM
Superhawk996   Getting close. :trophy:   Aug 2 2022, 08:35 AM
bbrock   Unbelievable! The diodes arrived yesterday. ...   Aug 6 2022, 02:26 PM
bbrock   Well that escalated quickly :blink: The new VDO ...   Aug 13 2022, 07:44 PM
930cabman   [b]Well that escalated quickly :blink: The new ...   Aug 14 2022, 09:30 AM
bbrock   I may be able to piece together an original washe...   Aug 14 2022, 11:32 AM
FlacaProductions   Very cool - and everyone likes a graceful recovery...   Aug 13 2022, 10:29 PM
davep   A very interesting discussion. I have been kicking...   Aug 13 2022, 10:31 PM
bbrock   A very interesting discussion. I have been kickin...   Aug 13 2022, 11:33 PM
Superhawk996   :cool: Bookmarking this thread.   Aug 14 2022, 08:38 AM


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