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malcolm2
post Feb 25 2023, 06:44 AM
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Have only run maybe 4 gallons of gas thru a new rebuiltengine. Ran on the bench and recently installed. My cooling fan came loose.

Woodruff key is damaged along with the slot in the crank where it sits. Hub too.

Is there a way to suitably repair the crank without total engine removal and teardown ?
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post Feb 26 2023, 12:53 PM
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he called it MULTI-THOUSAND dollar prop, so yes.

Here is my Prussian Blue...

I wiped it on the hub and hand installed the hub. I slid it on with the key-way semi-aligned, At 1st I just rotated right and left a bit. Less blue transferred, but here in the same place.

Then I rotated the hub 360* and got this....


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post Feb 27 2023, 05:11 PM
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QUOTE(malcolm2 @ Feb 27 2023, 07:53 AM) *

he called it MULTI-THOUSAND dollar prop, so yes.

Here is my Prussian Blue...

I wiped it on the hub and hand installed the hub. I slid it on with the key-way semi-aligned, At 1st I just rotated right and left a bit. Less blue transferred, but here in the same place.

Then I rotated the hub 360* and got this....


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Getting there but you still have a long way to go as you have a raised area around the keyway,I would get a guality flat file and just carefully work it down then redo your lapping and see what you get,don't be afraid to use course lapping paste as I will give you a good indicator when you blue it again ,then you can go finer if good result.
Your final result will be if the hub can be tapped on with a socket and will be hard to pop back off the taper you need this as it won't be an issue later .
Remove the old seal so you can see better whats going on and keep rotating the crank,cheers.
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post Feb 27 2023, 08:33 PM
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QUOTE(porschetub @ Feb 27 2023, 04:11 PM) *

QUOTE(malcolm2 @ Feb 27 2023, 07:53 AM) *

he called it MULTI-THOUSAND dollar prop, so yes.

Here is my Prussian Blue...

I wiped it on the hub and hand installed the hub. I slid it on with the key-way semi-aligned, At 1st I just rotated right and left a bit. Less blue transferred, but here in the same place.

Then I rotated the hub 360* and got this....


Attached Image

Getting there but you still have a long way to go as you have a raised area around the keyway,I would get a guality flat file and just carefully work it down then redo your lapping and see what you get,don't be afraid to use course lapping paste as I will give you a good indicator when you blue it again ,then you can go finer if good result.
Your final result will be if the hub can be tapped on with a socket and will be hard to pop back off the taper you need this as it won't be an issue later .
Remove the old seal so you can see better whats going on and keep rotating the crank,cheers.


Hmm. Filing the end of the crank with the inside of the case so close would make me nervous, no matter how the opening is sealed. Steel filings in the oil would be a very sad thing.
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QUOTE(bkrantz @ Feb 27 2023, 08:33 PM) *

QUOTE(porschetub @ Feb 27 2023, 04:11 PM) *

QUOTE(malcolm2 @ Feb 27 2023, 07:53 AM) *

he called it MULTI-THOUSAND dollar prop, so yes.

Here is my Prussian Blue...

I wiped it on the hub and hand installed the hub. I slid it on with the key-way semi-aligned, At 1st I just rotated right and left a bit. Less blue transferred, but here in the same place.

Then I rotated the hub 360* and got this....


Attached Image

Getting there but you still have a long way to go as you have a raised area around the keyway,I would get a guality flat file and just carefully work it down then redo your lapping and see what you get,don't be afraid to use course lapping paste as I will give you a good indicator when you blue it again ,then you can go finer if good result.
Your final result will be if the hub can be tapped on with a socket and will be hard to pop back off the taper you need this as it won't be an issue later .
Remove the old seal so you can see better whats going on and keep rotating the crank,cheers.


Hmm. Filing the end of the crank with the inside of the case so close would make me nervous, no matter how the opening is sealed. Steel filings in the oil would be a very sad thing.



Take a 1 inch wide strip of all-mag about 3 inches long and lay it under the crank in the seal opening. Any filings will be caught on the magnet instead of going into the motor.

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malcolm2   Cooling fan woodruff key   Feb 25 2023, 06:44 AM
930cabman   Have only run maybe 4 gallons of gas thru a new r...   Feb 25 2023, 06:52 AM
malcolm2   I can't imagine that this will be JB Weld kind...   Feb 25 2023, 07:40 AM
malcolm2   moved the light and zoomed in.   Feb 25 2023, 07:41 AM
Bartlett 914   moved the light and zoomed in. It looks like t...   Feb 25 2023, 08:17 AM
porschetub   moved the light and zoomed in. Thats pretty se...   Feb 25 2023, 02:28 PM
malcolm2   RE: Cooling fan woodruff key   Feb 25 2023, 07:43 AM
barefoot   Just trial fit a new woodruff key it the slot to s...   Feb 25 2023, 07:57 AM
malcolm2   Just trial fit a new woodruff key it the slot to ...   Feb 25 2023, 08:04 AM
malcolm2   Yes, the pulley was loose. ALT belt vibrating lik...   Feb 25 2023, 08:27 AM
Dave97   I had the same thing happen, except the fan came l...   Feb 25 2023, 08:35 AM
malcolm2   I had the same thing happen, except the fan came ...   Feb 25 2023, 10:15 AM
mgphoto   New key tack welded to the crank. JB Weld could cr...   Feb 25 2023, 10:17 AM
malcolm2   New key tack welded to the crank. JB Weld could c...   Feb 25 2023, 11:09 AM
Superhawk996   First up - let’s talk about how this is designed...   Feb 25 2023, 12:05 PM
930cabman   I might dress down the material proud of the taper...   Feb 25 2023, 12:11 PM
Superhawk996   it does resist the pumping action of the fan Neg...   Feb 25 2023, 12:20 PM
malcolm2   As I did some lapping for about 45 minutes and cle...   Feb 25 2023, 03:37 PM
Superhawk996   Don’t worry about pits below the surface, make s...   Feb 25 2023, 05:08 PM
930cabman   Also get some prussian blue to ensure there is a h...   Feb 25 2023, 05:14 PM
blabla914   Superhawk has your back here. I'll add to his ...   Feb 25 2023, 05:24 PM
malcolm2   Amazon has let me down. I did purchase the Prussi...   Feb 26 2023, 08:20 AM
ClayPerrine   30+ years ago we lost the fan on Betty's 914 a...   Feb 26 2023, 09:33 AM
technicalninja   Amazon has let me down. I did purchase the Pruss...   Feb 26 2023, 10:21 AM
malcolm2   I remember lapping my Ski Nautique prop and using ...   Feb 26 2023, 11:49 AM
Superhawk996   I could see pictures just fine. That can’t be a...   Feb 26 2023, 11:59 AM
malcolm2   he called it MULTI-THOUSAND dollar prop, so yes. ...   Feb 26 2023, 12:53 PM
porschetub   he called it MULTI-THOUSAND dollar prop, so yes. ...   Feb 27 2023, 05:11 PM
bkrantz   he called it MULTI-THOUSAND dollar prop, so yes....   Feb 27 2023, 08:33 PM
ClayPerrine   [quote name='porschetub' post='3061365' date='Feb...   Feb 28 2023, 07:15 AM
Superhawk996   Take a 1 inch wide strip of all-mag about 3 inche...   Feb 28 2023, 08:29 AM
ClayPerrine   Take a 1 inch wide strip of all-mag about 3 inch...   Feb 28 2023, 09:42 AM
Superhawk996   That’s starting to look pretty good. Might lap ...   Feb 26 2023, 01:15 PM
Superhawk996   That’s starting to look pretty good. Might lap...   Feb 26 2023, 01:39 PM
Olympic 914   Looks like something that should be done on every ...   Feb 26 2023, 01:24 PM
malcolm2   Looks like something that should be done on every...   Feb 26 2023, 02:04 PM
930cabman   I would want to see at least 80 or 90% contact are...   Feb 27 2023, 06:36 PM


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