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| DRPHIL914 |
 Apr 28 2023, 08:07 PM
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Dr. Phil  Group: Members Posts: 5,813 Joined: 9-December 09 From: Bluffton, SC Member No.: 11,106 Region Association: South East States 
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So this issue has happened 3x now in the past few months, and now today after driving 300 miles up to Brevard, NC on the way , stopped to get gas, going to start it, no crank. all other electronics work, fuel pump priming just no starter engagement. it’s happened cold too, i can get it to start by push start.. so about an hour ago i pulled the steering wheel and replaced the plastic switch still no starter , i also checked the yellow wires under passenger seat (seat buzzer by-pass) , i don’t think that’s the issue.
I bought and installed a new Bosch starter about 6 months ago and installed it on this newer motor a few months back, so now i am wondering if it’s a bad solenoid? wond not crank . the last time it happened was a months ago, push start got me home from the store, and when i got home and pulled into the garage after turning it off it started right back up and has for the next 10 times —- until tonight. what are the other possibilities? does the power go from the ignition switch to the relay board and then to the starter? i have done a few searches , but looking for someone that’s maybe had this issue or understands the whole schematic better . i don’t have a multimeter with me but i can get one tomorrow at O’Reilly’s and i might see if they can get a starter., i’m just guessing and grasping at straws .. - oh, for those that don’t know it’s a ‘75 2056 d-jet. Phil |
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| DRPHIL914 |
Apr 29 2023, 06:53 PM
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Dr. Phil Group: Members Posts: 5,813 Joined: 9-December 09 From: Bluffton, SC Member No.: 11,106 Region Association: South East States
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i used the screw driver trick, and right after that i did start… once , then not again. picked up a new starter ans solenoid from O’Rielly’s , took it out to a local guy’s shop and installed it,
all good, so i guess some of these newer solenoids don’t last long. . i will look into the ford solenoid or maybe the toyota hi torque options, but for now i have one thst should last a while, if not , it’s lifetime warranty should last a while. |
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| Superhawk996 |
Apr 29 2023, 07:06 PM
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914 Guru Group: Members Posts: 6,701 Joined: 25-August 18 From: Woods of N. Idaho Member No.: 22,428 Region Association: Galt's Gulch
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QUOTE(DRPHIL914 @ Apr 29 2023, 07:53 PM)  i used the screw driver trick, and right after that i did start… once , then not again. picked up a new starter ans solenoid from O’Rielly’s , took it out to a local guy’s shop and installed it, all good, so i guess some of these newer solenoids don’t last long. . i will look into the ford solenoid or maybe the toyota hi torque options, but for now i have one thst should last a while, if not , it’s lifetime warranty should last a while. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smilie_pokal.gif) Rebuilt isn’t what it used to be. Glad you got it down to a confirmation that the problem was in the starter itself. Great job! |
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| DRPHIL914 |
May 1 2023, 07:59 AM
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Dr. Phil Group: Members Posts: 5,813 Joined: 9-December 09 From: Bluffton, SC Member No.: 11,106 Region Association: South East States
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QUOTE(Superhawk996 @ Apr 29 2023, 09:06 PM) QUOTE(DRPHIL914 @ Apr 29 2023, 07:53 PM) i used the screw driver trick, and right after that i did start… once , then not again. picked up a new starter ans solenoid from O’Rielly’s , took it out to a local guy’s shop and installed it, all good, so i guess some of these newer solenoids don’t last long. . i will look into the ford solenoid or maybe the toyota hi torque options, but for now i have one thst should last a while, if not , it’s lifetime warranty should last a while. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smilie_pokal.gif) Rebuilt isn’t what it used to be. Glad you got it down to a confirmation that the problem was in the starter itself. Great job! yea, and the one that failed on me i didn’t buy from a chain, this one i got from O’Reilly’s so national chain lifetime warranty. i might get a spare solenoid to carry, add it to the collection of other extra parts i keep in the frunk. i just didn’t really believe it would be the starter. i was so sure it was the ignition switch i had ordered a couple a small briny it with just in case this again happened, even had the tools. as you all know pretty hard to get under a 914 without a jack or lift. got to live the Porsche community!!! |
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| Superhawk996 |
May 1 2023, 08:05 AM
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914 Guru Group: Members Posts: 6,701 Joined: 25-August 18 From: Woods of N. Idaho Member No.: 22,428 Region Association: Galt's Gulch
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QUOTE(DRPHIL914 @ May 1 2023, 08:59 AM) as you all know pretty hard to get under a 914 without a jack or lift. Been under there more times than I care to count. Worst was on a date once and had to do the screwdriver trick. Turns out she was rather impressed that I knew how to do something useful and kept us from being stranded . . . So not all bad. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/happy11.gif) Glad you’re back on the road and not stranded or push starting! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/beerchug.gif) Wow! Dream garage! |
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