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> Well, I did a thing, It was a thing I knew better then to do, too. (Thermocouple connecting)
VaccaRabite
post Oct 11 2023, 06:22 AM
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Continuing to live my life as an object lesson for others...

I recently had to pull my engine for some repairs. For me, part of pulling the engine includes removing the thermocouple from under the #3 spark plug and fishing it out of the engine tins. This runs to the CHT gauge in the cabin of the car.

And we all know you are not supposed to cut the wire. Everybody knows that.

So I figured I'd cut the wire, add a nice weatherproof automotive plug, and see what happens. All in the name of convenience and curiosity.

I drove 300 miles last weekend. Including going fast up a really long couple of hills (like miles long hills) in 5th gear.
So the results.... At cold start, the gauge reads the same as ambient temps.
Under normal driving, the CHT gauge read slightly cooler then before I added the plug, but within 10 degrees of what I expected.

However, when pushing the car, the error rate grew exponentially. Where I would expect the car to be running 340-350 head temps, the gage only showed about 300. And pushing 90 up hill in 5th for over a mile I would expect the gage to read 360+ the gage only ever got to 325. I did not push past what I know this engine required to get to 375 (which is my back off point).

The result of this experiment is that if I did not know and expect bogus returns on the gage, I could easily roast an engine and start dropping valve seats, while a quality CHT gage was reporting I was WELL under the 400 degree danger zone.

I have another cable I can swap in. Kind of a pain, but not a huge deal. I'll add it o the maintenance schedule.

But, yeah. In this case the group think is accurate. The very slight resistance that the plug will add to the cable will be enough to throw off your CHT monitor.

Do not cut the line between the thermocouple and your CHT gage.

Zach
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post Oct 11 2023, 11:34 PM
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If you accidentally flipped the wires of a thermocouple . The readings will just go opposite. When it gets hotter it will read out a colder number, thats all.

The IC for a thermocouple is just an differential op amp (with some other things like cold junction compensation). All it does is take the voltages from the two wires, subtract them, and then amplify a signal to a readable output.

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VaccaRabite   Well, I did a thing   Oct 11 2023, 06:22 AM
nditiz1   I'm guessing you didn't have a setup simil...   Oct 11 2023, 07:00 AM
VaccaRabite   I'm guessing you didn't have a setup simi...   Oct 11 2023, 07:50 AM
worn   Getting the spark plug and ring out has always see...   Oct 13 2023, 05:54 PM
76-914   Getting the spark plug and ring out has always se...   Oct 13 2023, 06:02 PM
stownsen914   Well that makes the Omega plugs looks like a bette...   Oct 15 2023, 08:44 AM
Superhawk996   Well that makes the Omega plugs looks like a bett...   Oct 15 2023, 11:09 AM
Spoke   We just temperature tested a unit we're design...   Oct 11 2023, 07:36 AM
76-914   We just temperature tested a unit we're desig...   Oct 11 2023, 08:13 AM
emerygt350   I have the DD as well, and I swear they had a litt...   Oct 11 2023, 08:30 AM
Superhawk996   Free white paper for the day: Cylinder head temp ...   Oct 11 2023, 09:22 AM
stownsen914   What type of connector did you use? Since thermoco...   Oct 11 2023, 11:46 AM
Shivers   https://www.amazon.com/T-Type-Thermocouple-...6669...   Oct 11 2023, 01:29 PM
Superhawk996   Verify you have K-type (red and yellow conductors)...   Oct 11 2023, 02:51 PM
VaccaRabite   Verify you have K-type (red and yellow conductors...   Oct 12 2023, 07:41 AM
r_towle   Continuing to live my life as an object lesson for...   Oct 11 2023, 06:28 PM
iankarr   Question…if the ends of that red/yellow extensio...   Oct 11 2023, 11:00 PM
ogdougy   If you accidentally flipped the wires of a thermoc...   Oct 11 2023, 11:34 PM
barefoot   Here's what I used, extension is long enough t...   Oct 12 2023, 10:08 AM
Geezer914   Here's what I used, extension is long enough ...   Oct 12 2023, 03:52 PM
stownsen914   Did this work with a Dakota Digital gauge? I ...   Oct 12 2023, 10:28 PM
stownsen914   Well I asked the vendor and got this response: Ye...   Oct 12 2023, 10:43 PM
76-914   Did this work with a Dakota Digital gauge? I...   Oct 13 2023, 07:56 AM
Shivers   [quote name='barefoot' post='3107404' date='Oct 1...   Oct 12 2023, 10:40 PM
barefoot   [quote name='barefoot' post='3107404' date='Oct 1...   Oct 16 2023, 06:27 AM
914_teener   Saying of the Day: "Do or Not Do, There is n...   Oct 12 2023, 01:30 PM
iankarr   Is there any difference in the makeup of that exte...   Oct 12 2023, 11:20 PM
Superhawk996   Is there any difference in the makeup of that ext...   Oct 13 2023, 07:10 AM
Shivers   K Type Thermocouple positive leg is composed of 90...   Oct 13 2023, 12:40 AM
Spoke   K Type Thermocouple positive leg is composed of 9...   Oct 13 2023, 07:40 AM
Superhawk996   K Type Thermocouple positive leg is composed of ...   Oct 13 2023, 07:52 AM
76-914   Let's flip things around. Guess what happens i...   Oct 13 2023, 08:10 AM
Literati914   ... I had suspected the VDO gauge but as it turne...   Oct 13 2023, 08:49 AM
Superhawk996   ... I had suspected the VDO gauge but as it turn...   Oct 13 2023, 09:15 AM
76-914   ... I had suspected the VDO gauge but as it turn...   Oct 13 2023, 05:58 PM
Literati914   Getting the spark plug and ring out has always se...   Oct 13 2023, 10:32 PM
VaccaRabite   [quote name='worn' post='3107701' date='Oct 13 20...   Oct 14 2023, 10:08 AM
sixnotfour   [quote name='worn' post='3107701' date='Oct 13 2...   Oct 14 2023, 10:31 AM
Literati914   [quote name='VaccaRabite' post='3107795' date='Oc...   Oct 14 2023, 12:01 PM
stownsen914   Is there a way to join a K type thermocouple to a ...   Oct 14 2023, 03:28 PM
Superhawk996   Is there a way to join a K type thermocouple to a...   Oct 14 2023, 07:01 PM


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