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> Chasing a firm brake pedal, What next?
robkammer
post Oct 17 2023, 02:55 PM
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Teeners: It's been over two years since our 74 BB arrived. A Caliper blew out as it came off the transporter in 12 degree temps. Really no surprise as the PPI pointed out a leaky caliper. So I did what I thought would be appropriate for this little beauty, I sent all of the hard bits out, calipers and regulator, to a widely recognized firm for 'restoration'. Put in a new EZ master from 914. And all should have been fine. But, even now, after 1800 miles, a second set of calipers from the 'restorer', a new ATE MC from the restorer. ( I threw out the EZ MC). I still have squishy pedal.
I do not suspect the pedal box area as the car has absolutely no rust.
I just rebuilt the 'restored' front calipers with new square cuts from AA, took out the springy metal pieces that are supposed to keep the pistons from rotating, and the pedal is much better. I have about 50 miles on this but after bleeding it again the bleeders were leaking and I put it back on the lift. ( I was told: maybe: we left the calipers in the acid too long)
So: Now that the pedal seems like I might be on my way to GOOD braking, I can hear the pressure regulator knocking when I press the pedal, at a standstill, in the shop. Is this normal and to be expected? Note: During attempts to bed the brakes and get them working, I was only ever to lock up the rears, and it was really difficult to do. ( difficult may not be accurate, violent might be more appropriate)
The newly rebuilt calipers seem fine, just like the calipers in my 911's that I rebuilt.
As for bleeding, I've done it every way known to man. And some new ones too. Just picked up a 6th quart of Super 4. $26.00!!! A fifth of Weller was only $23!.
I'm really frustrated with this little car. Any input will be appreciated.

I'm thinking of putting in a Tee in place of the regulator, just for testing. If anyone has a Tee that they would be willing to let me borrow, I would be willing pick up all of the shipping just so I don't have to mess with the fab work.
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robkammer
post Oct 19 2023, 10:26 AM
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All great input. Stopped the leak and took it for a drive again yesterday. Pedal is getting much better. I’m going to pull the pads the next bleeding session. The MC does move a bit with really hard pedal pressure, but I shouldn’t have to be on the pedal that hard once the brakes are proper.
Pulled temps after the run yesterday, fronts in the higher 300’s and rears higher 200’s. Drove it pretty hard and I’m starting to get some lock. The new seals seemed to do the trick! Had to cut the drive short when I realized my fuel light was on!
Thanks again all!
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robkammer   Chasing a firm brake pedal   Oct 17 2023, 02:55 PM
yeahmag   Might try cracking the brake line at the pressure ...   Oct 17 2023, 03:14 PM
VegasRacer   A brace on the Master Cylinder is helpful in provi...   Oct 17 2023, 03:28 PM
bkrantz   A brace on the Master Cylinder is helpful in prov...   Oct 17 2023, 06:08 PM
peteinjp   I can only lock up the fronts on my car. Generally...   Oct 17 2023, 06:00 PM
Krieger   Make sure you adjust the venting clearance properl...   Oct 17 2023, 10:47 PM
Arno914   Just to be sure: Did you replace all 4 brake lines...   Oct 18 2023, 01:03 AM
robkammer   All: Thanks for the replies. I did bleed the top o...   Oct 18 2023, 04:45 AM
ChrisFoley   Tangerine Racing Master Cylinder Brace   Oct 18 2023, 04:54 AM
jhynesrockmtn   As explained in my RR thread, we got stuck in Bend...   Oct 18 2023, 08:22 AM
rfinegan   I may have missed this ...but did you set the air ...   Oct 18 2023, 08:50 AM
Mikey914   As you can see these are notorious for having issu...   Oct 18 2023, 10:05 AM
Superhawk996   I can hear the pressure regulator knocking when ...   Oct 19 2023, 08:10 AM
rudedude   I've used old worn out thin pads when initiall...   Oct 19 2023, 09:30 AM
robkammer   All great input. Stopped the leak and took it for ...   Oct 19 2023, 10:26 AM
iankarr   You've gotten great advice in this thread. Als...   Oct 19 2023, 10:40 AM
mskala   Haven't seen this mentioned yet, but with new ...   Oct 19 2023, 10:44 AM
jhynesrockmtn   Haven't seen this mentioned yet, but with new...   Oct 19 2023, 03:11 PM
Root_Werks   Good thread with good tips. Reminds me I should g...   Oct 19 2023, 12:06 PM
Krieger   I also had a problem with brand new bleeders leaki...   Oct 19 2023, 03:21 PM
jim_hoyland   What’s involved to install the MC brace ?   Oct 19 2023, 05:19 PM
ChrisFoley   What’s involved to install the MC brace ? Weld...   Oct 20 2023, 04:12 AM
robkammer   Hey Teeners: Finally! I have a the brake pedal...   Nov 2 2023, 10:40 AM
930cabman   Hey Teeners: Finally! I have a the brake peda...   Nov 2 2023, 11:31 AM
87m491   A few squirts all around? Hey Teeners: Finally...   Nov 2 2023, 02:33 PM
robkammer   A few squirts all around? Hey Teeners: Finally...   Nov 3 2023, 06:22 PM
Superhawk996   Hey Teeners: Finally! I have a the brake peda...   Nov 3 2023, 06:43 AM
iankarr   Glad you got it sorted! FYI, the issue with ...   Nov 2 2023, 03:17 PM
emerygt350   I might give this strategy a shot next spring.   Nov 2 2023, 05:41 PM


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