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Blue6
post May 29 2022, 08:39 PM
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Attached Image was moving into my new garage/shop and found some old racing memories. Earned me a checkered that day, but had a home track advantage. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/driving.gif)
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post Oct 27 2023, 07:33 AM
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Opinions follow...

As much as I'd love to see a 914 competitive in Prod, I think out would HAVE to be a labor of love. Here's the results from the 2023 Runoffs (check out that guy in an EP Civic that only made it 1-1/4 laps):

https://www.scca.com/pages/2023-scca-runoffs-results

E Production: Big engines class. 2.5L BMWs. Maybe a Z car with a Rebello engine (if it were driven well, unlike the ones I was racing with mid-pack). 2nd-gen Mazda RX-7s driven particularly well (like Hainsworth's). Your engine builder will be your best friend (and you, his).

I just don't see a 4-banger full-prep Type 4 2L bringing the kind of numbers needed to compete in EP, especially since the '24/'25 Runoffs are at America's Dyno, Road America. Even with a 600# weight advantage - assuming you can get it down to 1800-ish with driver - you're going to need 225+ ponies to compete. And it'll be fragile.

As noted above, Kip van Steenburg has a 2L 6-banger that's showing potential, but it's fragile: it appeared at the 2021 and 2022 Runoffs but was withdrawn during the test days. Watch for that car to eventually get sorted and maybe John Hainsworth driving it.

F Production: Miatas and Hondas/Acuras. Miatas bring the handling and braking, Honda brings the power.

IMO, it's a tough row to hoe for the 914. The 1.8L full-prep 914 has neither the power of the Hondas nor the handling/braking of the Miatas. You can run alternate brakes now in Prod (+2% weight) but you're still scrapping against those two marques.

The limited-prep 2L may have a chance, given it's allowed dual Webers/Dells. Can you get a reliable 150hp for its 2030# (with driver; 2083# with alternate gear ratios)? But it's all limited prep, so think Improved Touring spec chassis with slicks.

H Production: SCCA finally allowed 2L engines into HP, and the water-cooled VWs are shining there. Chris Schaafsma has won HP two years on the trot, and he has a really well built, and well-driven, Golf. Steve Sargis in the full-prep Triumph is always in the mix, as is Vesa Siligren in the limited-prep Honda CRX.

But SCCA is only allowing the 1.8L 914 into HP right now, and only at Limited Prep -- and you have to keep the fuel injection (though it can be Microsquirted). That's basically Improved Touring-spec with cams. MAYBE the 1.8L limited prep has a chance in HP at 2100# (2153# if you swapped out factory gear ratios)? It would take a dedicated effort, I think, to fully develop the car - as noted it's basically a strong IT effort on slicks.

I think that SCCA would eventually allow the LP 2L into HP, but someone needs to drive one in FP to demonstrate it. My historics racer is an ex-ITA prep chassis and the engine is very much within the specs of Limited Prep Prod. I have no idea what my plans are for '24 but maybe I'll buy/borrow an AIM Solo (it's what SCCA uses), get the engine dyno'd and the car weighed, and run a couple Regionals to send that data to the CRB for consideration. We'll see...

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post Oct 30 2023, 12:45 PM
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QUOTE(GregAmy @ Oct 27 2023, 08:33 AM) *

E Production: Big engines class.

As noted above, Kip van Steenburg has a 2L 6-banger that's showing potential, but it's fragile: it appeared at the 2021 and 2022 Runoffs but was withdrawn during the test days. Watch for that car to eventually get sorted and maybe John Hainsworth driving it.

Any idea whatever happened to Erik Madsen's (spelling?) EP car?
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Blue6   Memory lane   May 29 2022, 08:39 PM
VegasRacer   SPEC-RX7 was the most fun, most competitive and le...   May 30 2022, 10:56 AM
Blue6   John, I could not agree with you more. Moving up i...   May 30 2022, 01:29 PM
VegasRacer   What yrs did you compete, and did you ever make ...   May 30 2022, 09:19 PM
brant   Pretty cars I bought and started to build a spec ...   May 30 2022, 03:16 PM
Blue6   Brant, it’s to bad you didn’t get a chance to ...   May 30 2022, 09:58 PM
VegasRacer   C Sports Racer. :headbanger: Now that's a Re...   May 30 2022, 10:35 PM
ChrisFoley   Hmm, I had a pretty good year on track in 2004. Th...   Jun 2 2022, 11:36 AM
Charles Freeborn   Hmm, I had a pretty good year on track in 2004. T...   Sep 30 2023, 10:43 AM
ChrisFoley   What would the engine specs be now-a-days to com...   Oct 16 2023, 05:51 PM
GregAmy   There may be more than one preparation spec for F...   Oct 25 2023, 12:57 PM
Charles Freeborn   There may be more than one preparation spec for ...   Oct 26 2023, 08:53 AM
stownsen914   Misread the most recent posts. I thought you guys ...   Oct 26 2023, 12:03 PM
Charles Freeborn   Misread the most recent posts. I thought you guys...   Oct 26 2023, 06:01 PM
ChrisFoley   Maybe someday Chris will sell me that 1.8L... - ...   Oct 26 2023, 05:40 PM
slivel   PCA Club Race at Calclub Speedway in 2003.   Jun 2 2022, 12:06 PM
stownsen914   @vegasracer I like the RX7. I see the Dave Turner...   Jun 8 2022, 08:57 PM
seanery   Great thread guys - we all had so much fun back th...   Sep 28 2023, 10:11 PM
rhodyguy   Would the Weber venturis be measured or would the ...   Oct 16 2023, 08:32 AM
ChrisFoley   Would the Weber venturis be measured or would the...   Oct 16 2023, 05:53 PM
stownsen914   Each vintage org does it differently, but many wil...   Oct 17 2023, 09:24 AM
Charles Freeborn   Took another read through the rule book and at bes...   Oct 25 2023, 10:10 AM
GregAmy   Opinions follow... As much as I'd love to see...   Oct 27 2023, 07:33 AM
jd74914   E Production: Big engines class. As noted above...   Oct 30 2023, 12:45 PM
stownsen914   Any idea whatever happened to Erik Madsen's (...   Nov 1 2023, 06:02 AM
Charles Freeborn   Opinions follow... As much as I'd love to se...   Oct 30 2023, 05:17 PM
Thorshammer   Hello Everyone! Sorry, a little late to the p...   Nov 11 2023, 09:35 PM
Thorshammer   Oh, and the 2.0 six is not fragile in anyway, shap...   Nov 11 2023, 09:37 PM
Brett W   I am with Greg, I gave up on the idea of building ...   Nov 22 2023, 04:38 PM


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