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> Laguna Blue 75 build thread, Freshly painted
Tim17
post Jan 5 2024, 03:30 PM
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The previous owner told us the hell hole and longs had been done and he seemed like an honest car guy. So that was dumb and naive of me. It was clear that a bunch of work had been done around the hell hole, which looked good from the engine bay. When we got it home and on the lift we were faced with a rusted out lower firewall.
Ordered a firewall repair panel.
We pulled the engine today and cut out the lower firewall and it’s pretty ugly.Attached Image
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post Jan 13 2024, 07:40 PM
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I would take out the rear portion of the floor before cutting the long load path to adjust door gap. This is assuming that you are going to have to replace a portion of the floor to fix the bulkhead rust damage.

The more material you take out, you’ll be amazed at how it softens up the chassis and lets the turnbuckle door braces move things.

The other thing is the chassis will be stronger if you don’t have two structural panels just being joined by a butt weld. The other thing is the need to account for metal shrink as weld cools. I.e., if you set the door gap perfect, then do the butt weld to rejoin what you’ve cut, you’ll find the gap tightens as the weld cools.

The other thing is that when you start welding in rear bulkhead pieces, you’ll find that weld shrink pulls the long toward the center. That pull may help your door gap situation. The whole chassis will have moved around as the structure rusted and lost stiffness over the years.

The other thing is that on my car, I found part of the lower rear door gap was controlled by the door jamb sill. I had a bit of a fiasco that needs to be repaired in the future because I was holding that gap with silicon bronze and then it moved when I overheated things allowing the silicon bronze to reflow and my gap moved. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/headbang.gif)

Some of this would vary depending on order to remove or install. In unibody construction the parts are all inner related. It’s sort of trial and error, learn as you go - at least it was in my case.

My advice is don’t try to set door gap too early. Keep an eye on it as you do other work. Keep it close to what you want but don’t sweat it too early before you get an idea of how other work moves it around
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post Jan 14 2024, 06:27 AM
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QUOTE(Superhawk996 @ Jan 13 2024, 08:40 PM) *

I would take out the rear portion of the floor before cutting the long load path to adjust door gap. This is assuming that you are going to have to replace a portion of the floor to fix the bulkhead rust damage.

The more material you take out, you’ll be amazed at how it softens up the chassis and lets the turnbuckle door braces move things.

The other thing is the chassis will be stronger if you don’t have two structural panels just being joined by a butt weld. The other thing is the need to account for metal shrink as weld cools. I.e., if you set the door gap perfect, then do the butt weld to rejoin what you’ve cut, you’ll find the gap tightens as the weld cools.

The other thing is that when you start welding in rear bulkhead pieces, you’ll find that weld shrink pulls the long toward the center. That pull may help your door gap situation. The whole chassis will have moved around as the structure rusted and lost stiffness over the years.

The other thing is that on my car, I found part of the lower rear door gap was controlled by the door jamb sill. I had a bit of a fiasco that needs to be repaired in the future because I was holding that gap with silicon bronze and then it moved when I overheated things allowing the silicon bronze to reflow and my gap moved. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/headbang.gif)

Some of this would vary depending on order to remove or install. In unibody construction the parts are all inner related. It’s sort of trial and error, learn as you go - at least it was in my case.

My advice is don’t try to set door gap too early. Keep an eye on it as you do other work. Keep it close to what you want but don’t sweat it too early before you get an idea of how other work moves it around



Ok, good input. Thanks!

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Tim17   Laguna Blue 75 build thread   Jan 5 2024, 03:30 PM
Tim17   There was even an epoxied in piece of heavy gage s...   Jan 5 2024, 03:35 PM
tygaboy   There was even an epoxied in piece of heavy gage ...   Jan 5 2024, 03:55 PM
Root_Werks   Oh boy! Yeah, there's more to uncover for...   Jan 5 2024, 03:49 PM
Geezer914   I had to repair the lower firewall also. Rear win...   Jan 5 2024, 04:24 PM
Tim17   I ended up jacking up the back of the car by the s...   Jan 5 2024, 04:34 PM
Tim17   Looking for recommendations on putting this back t...   Jan 5 2024, 08:17 PM
Superhawk996   The previous owner told us the hell hole and long...   Jan 6 2024, 09:46 AM
Tim17   The previous owner told us the hell hole and lon...   Jan 6 2024, 10:38 AM
Tim17   Got the car on jack stands and all leveled out usi...   Jan 9 2024, 06:55 PM
ctc911ctc   Love the laser - model and make? Got the car o...   Jan 10 2024, 01:20 PM
Tim17   Love the laser - model and make? Got the car ...   Jan 10 2024, 07:56 PM
Tim17   Love the laser - model and make? Got the car ...   Jan 11 2024, 05:58 AM
Tim17   It's been great having this forum to get all t...   Jan 11 2024, 04:09 PM
Tim17   Unfortunately, there's hell hole damage to the...   Jan 11 2024, 04:18 PM
Tim17   Picked up this 30" HF sheet metal brake on sa...   Jan 13 2024, 01:41 PM
worn   Picked up this 30" HF sheet metal brake on s...   Dec 12 2024, 09:00 PM
Superhawk996   :headbanger: And you’re off to the races. Gla...   Jan 13 2024, 01:59 PM
Tim17   :headbanger: And you’re off to the races. Gl...   Jan 13 2024, 02:49 PM
Tim17   :headbanger: And you’re off to the races. Gl...   Jan 13 2024, 02:53 PM
Superhawk996   I would take out the rear portion of the floor bef...   Jan 13 2024, 07:40 PM
Tim17   I would take out the rear portion of the floor be...   Jan 14 2024, 06:27 AM
Superhawk996   The other thing, gotta start proof reading . . . A...   Jan 14 2024, 11:20 AM
Tim17   We had the car supported at each wheel with jack s...   Jan 16 2024, 05:20 PM
technicalninja   Might check out this thread. He's doing it in ...   Jan 16 2024, 06:44 PM
Tim17   Might check out this thread. He's doing it in...   Jan 17 2024, 05:15 AM
hcdmueller   Another great thread in the Classic section. Diggi...   Jan 17 2024, 05:55 AM
Tim17   Another great thread in the Classic section. Digg...   Jan 18 2024, 07:06 AM
worn   Another great thread in the Classic section. Digg...   Jan 24 2024, 06:56 PM
Tim17   [quote name='hcdmueller' post='3124059' date='Jan...   Jan 27 2024, 09:11 AM
Tim17   Made some headway on figuring out what needs to be...   Jan 24 2024, 04:39 PM
Tim17   Took a shot at using MDF dies in my 12 ton press t...   Jan 27 2024, 02:57 PM
Montreal914   Beautiful work! :)   Jan 28 2024, 11:00 AM
Tim17   Beautiful work! :) Thanks! Tim   Jan 30 2024, 06:47 PM
TRS63   You're doing a great job, keep at it and soon ...   Jan 30 2024, 02:34 AM
Tim17   You're doing a great job, keep at it and soon...   Jan 30 2024, 06:47 PM
Tim17   Made a milestone today. We’ve been doing part a...   Jan 30 2024, 06:53 PM
friethmiller   Made a milestone today. We’ve been doing part ...   Mar 5 2024, 05:02 PM
Tim17   Made a milestone today. We’ve been doing part...   Mar 5 2024, 06:31 PM
Tim17   Chris made up a tool for the flanged oblong hole i...   Feb 1 2024, 03:54 PM
Tim17   Starting to make some headway putting some structu...   Feb 25 2024, 04:31 PM
Tim17   So it’s been 2 months since we started working o...   Mar 5 2024, 04:25 PM
friethmiller   :DRUNK: Looking good! Keep up the great work...   Mar 5 2024, 04:34 PM
dr914@autoatlanta.com   The previous owner told us the hell hole and long...   Mar 5 2024, 05:32 PM
Tim17   The previous owner told us the hell hole and lon...   Mar 5 2024, 06:36 PM
Tim17   Making good headway on the repairs on the right si...   Mar 16 2024, 04:54 PM
Graydingo   Nice work Tim!   Mar 17 2024, 08:27 AM
Tim17   Nice work Tim! Thanks Duane   Mar 23 2024, 11:51 AM
Tim17   Got the rear long panels all welded up and install...   Mar 23 2024, 12:31 PM
Superhawk996   :trophy: If I wasn’t so attached to doing thin...   Mar 23 2024, 02:38 PM
Tim17   After taking to summer off on this car, we spend t...   Dec 12 2024, 03:02 PM
dereknlee   That is a phenomenal color! Great work.   Dec 17 2024, 07:32 PM
flyer86d   That’s nice. I like the color! Charlie   Dec 12 2024, 05:33 PM
rick 918-S   :popcorn:   Dec 12 2024, 07:12 PM
East coaster   Beautiful   Dec 12 2024, 08:37 PM
kroelofsen   :bump: very nice....!   Dec 13 2024, 12:44 PM
Root_Werks   Wow that looks great! Gotta love a freshly pa...   Dec 13 2024, 03:44 PM
Graydingo   Woohoo! Looks amazing.   Dec 15 2024, 11:47 AM
930cabman   Progress is great, keep it going. Is the power pl...   Dec 15 2024, 11:59 AM
Tim17   Progress is great, keep it going. Is the power p...   Dec 15 2024, 03:35 PM


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