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> Cairo's Six - 3.6 in and running great!
Cairo94507
post Feb 18 2024, 10:11 AM
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Hi Everyone -

Some may be aware I recently bought the '95 993 3.6 motor Chris (Tygaboy) had for sale. I must have looked at his ad a 100 times (IMG:style_emoticons/default/drooley.gif) and finally could not resist. Had it not been Chris and pretty local to me I probably would have passed.

The 3.6 has approximately 18K miles on it (IMG:style_emoticons/default/piratenanner.gif) and came out of the 993 in 1997 following an accident. The engine was properly stored with rocker arms loosed and oil poured in the cylinders and turned over regularly. I pulled the plugs and it turned over like a new engine. Squirted some oil in, reinstalled the plugs and have turned it over a few times since it came to my garage patiently awaiting the swap.

Greg T. (master mechanic/technician/body man and painter) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/pray.gif) and a very good friend agreed to tackle this project at his garage. So on Friday (2/16/24), we drove to Greg's (it ran great) and a short 5+ hours later the 3.2 was out. We took our time and the biggest hassle was pulling the wiring harness for the 3.2 out of the car without damaging anything. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

The next day we trailered my Six in Greg's enclosed trailer, pulled by his wife's beautiful Dodge Ram diesel, to the Red Barn! Yes, Chris, (master fabricator if ever there was one) another great guy and good friend @Tygaboy agreed to do some metal fabrication as a part of this swap. After seeing Chris' skills on multiple projects, (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smilie_pokal.gif) I knew if someone was going to be cutting (IMG:style_emoticons/default/sawzall-smiley.gif) and welding (IMG:style_emoticons/default/welder.gif) on my car. I really wanted it to be him. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/pray.gif)

After looking at the current oil cooler setup, (IMG:style_emoticons/default/idea.gif) it was decided to leave my existing GT style oil cooler and add the 2 Spal 6.5" fans and see how that works. My 3.2 stayed cool while driving unless I got in stop 'n go traffic (What? None of that in the Bay Area!) and then the temperature would creep up. We will relocate my oil cooler thermostat from the front trunk (where the factory installed them in the GT cars (IMG:style_emoticons/default/confused24.gif) ) to the engine firewall- where we all agreed it belonged. I have to give Chris credit for this plan as I originally was going to swap in a larger oil cooler and open the nose panel of my car up (IMG:style_emoticons/default/sawzall-smiley.gif) to mate to the new cooler with a nice duct (IMG:style_emoticons/default/welder.gif) . Chris pulled me back from the edge and said he believed cutting the nose panel out may not be necessary once the fans are installed.

Of course that is not all Chris is doing. My car has factory, non-retractible, seat belts and my brother and I prefer retractible belts. So we are installing retractible belts. Chris will do the fabrication; he did this to his LS car and it works flawlessly.

OK, here are some pictures to get this thread rolling; I hope you enjoy following along as this stuff happens.

Again, a sincere thanks (IMG:style_emoticons/default/tiphat2.gif) to Greg T, Chris B., my brother Bob, HB (2 914 owner and good friend), for their support and encouragement. And thanks to anyone who has done a 3.6 swap into a 914 and posted about it so we have a road map. I will document our project to hopefully make it easier for others to do the same.

Cheers- Michael (IMG:style_emoticons/default/beerchug.gif)

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post Feb 28 2024, 03:35 PM
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@4camGT

get access to the Piech 914-8. We made a template over the rear flare. It matched very close to mine. So, it’s still a mystery

How did you pull this one off?

Either way, very cool
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post Feb 29 2024, 08:53 AM
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@4camGT

get access to the Piech 914-8. We made a template over the rear flare. It matched very close to mine. So, it’s still a mystery

How did you pull this one off?

Either way, very cool



It was through my ex-Porsche colleague, Grant Larson. I was a Porsche designer in Weissach 1983 to 1990. Great years to be at Porsche!


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Cairo94507   Cairo's Six - 3.6 in and running great!   Feb 18 2024, 10:11 AM
ndfrigi   Congratulations Michael! Hoping that solid 3.2...   Feb 18 2024, 10:56 AM
SirAndy   You'll love the difference! On the coolin...   Feb 18 2024, 11:28 AM
tygaboy   The Red Barn isn't sure what's going on. I...   Feb 18 2024, 12:07 PM
Cairo94507   Thanks Chris- The honor is all mine; I totally tru...   Feb 18 2024, 12:38 PM
technicalninja   You'll love the difference! On the cooli...   Feb 18 2024, 12:42 PM
Cairo94507   Thanks technicalninja; I know you know your stuff ...   Feb 18 2024, 01:55 PM
SirAndy   I realized I was having rising temps in sitting tr...   Feb 18 2024, 02:21 PM
mepstein   Michael has a louvered pan. I’m still waiting on...   Feb 18 2024, 02:43 PM
rick 918-S   :headbanger: :popcorn:   Feb 18 2024, 02:56 PM
Cairo94507   Hi Andy - I have an aluminum shroud that seals the...   Feb 18 2024, 02:57 PM
Dion   Best of luck Michael. It’ll be superb.   Feb 18 2024, 03:15 PM
Cairo94507   Fingers crossed! :beer2:   Feb 18 2024, 03:35 PM
East coaster   My 3.6 used to run very cool with my fronted coole...   Feb 18 2024, 04:00 PM
tygaboy   My 3.6 used to run very cool with my fronted cool...   Feb 18 2024, 04:28 PM
Craigers17   What are the odds this car leaves the Red Barn wit...   Feb 18 2024, 05:41 PM
KELTY360   What are the odds this car leaves the Red Barn wi...   Feb 18 2024, 08:24 PM
nivekdodge   What are the odds this car leaves the Red Barn wi...   Feb 18 2024, 08:36 PM
Freezin 914   :headbanger: :popcorn:   Feb 18 2024, 07:41 PM
technicalninja   Hi Andy - I have an aluminum shroud that seals th...   Feb 18 2024, 08:29 PM
technicalninja   Quick question. The engine in the first post is t...   Feb 18 2024, 08:50 PM
rick 918-S   Better get some flares and big rubber on that rock...   Feb 19 2024, 07:18 AM
Cairo94507   @Craigers17 Thank God I was still waiting for my ...   Feb 19 2024, 07:53 AM
rick 918-S   [b]@[url=http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?s...   Feb 19 2024, 11:47 AM
Craigers17   [b]@[url=http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?s...   Feb 19 2024, 03:42 PM
Long_ago   Giddy Up   Feb 19 2024, 12:18 PM
burton73   Hi Michael, :wttc: I sent you a PM Best Bob B...   Feb 19 2024, 01:17 PM
tygaboy   Let's get the party started! Michael has a...   Feb 19 2024, 06:39 PM
East coaster   Don’t oops and do that center plug weld :)   Feb 19 2024, 07:57 PM
Cairo94507   Yesterday we crated the 3.2 for travel to its new ...   Feb 20 2024, 09:57 AM
mb911   Very interesting close to me?   Feb 20 2024, 11:01 AM
rick 918-S   Very interesting close to me? Wish it was comin...   Feb 20 2024, 07:44 PM
worn   Very interesting close to me? Wish it was comi...   Feb 21 2024, 12:00 AM
Freezin 914   [quote name='rick 918-S' post='3129786' date...   Feb 21 2024, 08:22 AM
tygaboy   "It's only metal..." Whomever made u...   Feb 20 2024, 06:21 PM
tygaboy   Question for anyone who's fitted retractable s...   Feb 20 2024, 07:14 PM
Cairo94507   @tygaboy Chris, Taking a shot... and speaking wit...   Feb 20 2024, 07:57 PM
SirAndy   [b]@[url=http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?s...   Feb 21 2024, 07:41 PM
mb911   I know the new owner he is friend of mine. Excitin...   Feb 21 2024, 04:02 PM
mepstein   I know the new owner he is friend of mine. Exciti...   Feb 21 2024, 04:31 PM
Cairo94507   I will be at Chris' on Saturday and we plan to...   Feb 22 2024, 07:23 AM
raynekat   I've seen some replace the extra onboard oil f...   Feb 23 2024, 12:43 AM
ClayPerrine   I've seen some replace the extra onboard oil ...   Feb 23 2024, 07:03 AM
Luke M   I've seen some replace the extra onboard oil ...   Feb 23 2024, 08:02 AM
mepstein   I've seen some replace the extra onboard oil...   Feb 23 2024, 01:03 PM
Cairo94507   Thanks guys; that will be another option if Plan A...   Feb 23 2024, 07:27 AM
Root_Werks   This is such a neat engine swap. There are more a...   Feb 23 2024, 01:14 PM
Cairo94507   Today my brother and I took a ride to The Red Barn...   Feb 24 2024, 05:30 PM
SirAndy   Lets compare sizes, shall we? :D Images pulled ...   Feb 24 2024, 05:45 PM
Cairo94507   Thanks for the pictures Andy. The oil cooler we a...   Feb 24 2024, 06:05 PM
tygaboy   What happens At The Red Barn, stays at Th...er... ...   Feb 25 2024, 08:34 AM
Cairo94507   Great job Chris :worship: . I feel so lucky to h...   Feb 25 2024, 09:19 AM
Luke M   Hi Michael, Hey, have you seen the setup that En...   Feb 25 2024, 09:33 AM
4CamGT   I watch this thread with great interest. I have a ...   Feb 25 2024, 02:36 PM
Cairo94507   @[url=http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?s...   Feb 25 2024, 03:28 PM
4CamGT   <b>@[url=http://www.914world.com/bbs2/inde...   Feb 25 2024, 03:50 PM
4CamGT   [quote name='Cairo94507' post='3130678' date='Feb...   Feb 25 2024, 04:01 PM
4CamGT   [quote name='Cairo94507' post='3130678' date='Fe...   Feb 25 2024, 04:01 PM
stevesc_us   Freeman, so nice to see you posting on this site...   Feb 27 2024, 12:35 AM
4CamGT   Freeman, so nice to see you posting on this site...   Feb 27 2024, 08:46 AM
4CamGT   3.2 with the original Webers and fan housing assem...   Feb 25 2024, 04:03 PM
4CamGT   3.2 with the original Webers and fan housing asse...   Feb 25 2024, 04:04 PM
4CamGT   3.2 with the original Webers and fan housing ass...   Feb 25 2024, 04:06 PM
4CamGT   [quote name='4CamGT' post='3130690' date='Feb 25 ...   Feb 25 2024, 04:08 PM
rgalla9146   [quote name='4CamGT' post='3130690' date='Feb 25...   Feb 25 2024, 07:41 PM
4CamGT   [quote name='4CamGT' post='3130694' date='Feb 25 ...   Feb 25 2024, 10:01 PM
rgalla9146   [quote name='4CamGT' post='3130694' date='Feb 25...   Feb 25 2024, 10:53 PM
4CamGT   [quote name='4CamGT' post='3130796' date='Feb 25 ...   Feb 26 2024, 08:41 AM
rhodyguy   Impressive collection of equipment. That IG and br...   Feb 25 2024, 04:13 PM
JeffBowlsby   I’m seeing a creamsicle in this thread. Who own...   Feb 25 2024, 04:32 PM
Cairo94507   Hi Jeff @JeffBowlsby - Hi Jeff, that car belongs...   Feb 25 2024, 05:07 PM
JeffBowlsby   Hi Jeff [b]@[url=http://www.914world.com/bbs2/in...   Feb 25 2024, 05:58 PM
flat4guy   Might have to plan a drive down that way to check ...   Feb 25 2024, 10:02 PM
rick 918-S   :boing: :boing: Like the kids in the back seat - ...   Feb 25 2024, 11:13 PM
Cairo94507   I wish; I know you were joking. My car is at Chri...   Feb 26 2024, 07:12 AM
Cairo94507   Like Chris says, "If it were easy, everyone w...   Feb 26 2024, 04:28 PM
4CamGT   Like Chris says, "If it were easy, everyone ...   Feb 26 2024, 06:53 PM
Cairo94507   @stevesc_us No worries at all. That 6 looks just...   Feb 27 2024, 07:00 AM
mepstein   [b]@[url=http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?s...   Feb 27 2024, 07:20 AM
sixaddict   One question keeps rolling around in my head ….....   Feb 27 2024, 08:30 AM
Cairo94507   Yeah, I know. The 3.2 ran terrific, pulled like a...   Feb 27 2024, 08:40 AM
4CamGT   For comparison…   Feb 27 2024, 08:51 AM
roundtwo   Way to go Michael. A brave endeavor !!...   Feb 27 2024, 09:00 AM
4CamGT   It happened it was the year the Porsche Museum was...   Feb 27 2024, 09:12 AM
gereed75   Michael What belt retractor and receiver are you ...   Feb 27 2024, 09:55 AM
eric9144   My car has the PMS front Setrab cooler along with ...   Feb 27 2024, 12:06 PM
4CamGT   My car has the PMS front Setrab cooler along with...   Feb 27 2024, 05:47 PM
Cairo94507   For anyone interested, the oil cooler and fans in ...   Feb 28 2024, 12:53 PM
eric9144   This is an interesting layout. Do the fans get in...   Feb 28 2024, 01:41 PM
930cabman   @4camGT get access to the Piech 914-8. We made ...   Feb 28 2024, 03:35 PM
4CamGT   [b]@[url=http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?s...   Feb 29 2024, 08:53 AM
flyer86d   [b]@[url=http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?...   Mar 17 2024, 04:34 AM
tygaboy   Michael opted for a dual-pass Setrab cooler and th...   Mar 5 2024, 11:53 AM
Cairo94507   Parts have arrived- Yay! I know Chris wants t...   Mar 5 2024, 02:49 PM
tygaboy   I'm working up a one-piece cooler/fan mount wi...   Mar 16 2024, 01:19 PM
technicalninja   Looks NICE! I prefer the fans on the cooler v...   Mar 16 2024, 02:59 PM
SirAndy   Not picking nits here but maybe add a few more hol...   Mar 16 2024, 03:36 PM
tygaboy   RE: comments about how the fan mount, clearance to...   Mar 16 2024, 06:39 PM
Cairo94507   Outstanding work Chris; I know this is going to wo...   Mar 17 2024, 06:15 AM
mb911   I am sure it will work great. I am thinking it may...   Mar 17 2024, 06:58 AM
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