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> SCCA catagory for my 914-4, racing catagory 914
FastFroggy
post Apr 29 2024, 12:40 PM
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Hello all,

I previously ran HPDE events and autocrosses prior to my engine issue. I am now wrapping up my 914-4 rebuild and just passed my SCCA Licensing Class. Really enjoy running the car. Would like to see if there is an SCCA class I can fit it, but looks tough. Looking for guidance on the best path forward given my stated priorities:

1. SCCA regional level minimum
2. Extent of further modification needed
3. Relative competitiveness in class

My car:
a. 1973 914-4 with up to date safety items(Cage, extinguisher, seats, harness, etc)
b. 2.0l stock internals
c. race headers
d. large bore twin carbs
e. 5 lug conversion
f. 911 1973 rotors
g. 911s calipers front
h. fiberglass fender flares

Please PM me with feedback. Thanks, GregM
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post Apr 30 2024, 07:16 AM
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Oh boy, big long discussion...but let's start with WELCOME!

Second item is...download the General Competition Regulations:

https://www.scca.com/pages/cars-and-rules

Your first concern is safety: what kind of cage desgin do you have? What was it logbooked for? Different categories have different requirements. No fuel cell or fire system? Limits your options. No dash bar? Limits your options.

What tires?

At first glance at your specs, I'm not seeing an easy answer for there your car fits, but we'll find something. Some mods, such as fender flares and suspension and brake upgrades, limit your access to the lower-end classes.

The general options:

- Improved Touring. DOT tires, but requires stock induction, stock body, stock wheel bolts, stock brakes and suspension design.

- Production: slick tires and allows limited body mods, but requires fuel cell and fire system. Would have to review the 5-bolt to see if it's allowed but brakes are Ok with a weight adder. Carbs maybe OK depending on engine size.

- Grand Touring: can probably do all that but you'd require a fuel cell, fire system, and you'd get your ass handed to you by immensely faster cars.

Let's look at regional options. If you're in Ann Arbor then you're probably a member of the Detroit Region, thus Great Lakes Division (I think I found you in the membership directy...racingrabbit...)

https://www.gldscca.com/road-racing

As with many divisions, GLDiv has some local regional series, described here:

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1K-9vOMhWmV...0xae0EJ-9v/view

I see that GL Div has both ITE and Super Production.

ITE is generally cars that were built for an old endurance series like IMSA Firehawk, but NEDiv, where I am, are very loosey-goosey with the regs; as long as you're on DOT tires and meet Improved Touring safety regs (basically cage and fire bottle), no one cares. ITE requirements are described in the above link.

SPU (under 2.5L) is similar in that it must meet Production safety regs and can run slicks. SP regs are described in the GCR, Section 9.1.C. This will require a fuel cell, dash bar, and fire system.

Note that neither of these classes would be eligible to take you to the Runoffs (which is at Road America this year). But you can race regionally.

I suggest given the level of mods you've done to your car already, SPU is the droid you're looking for. But you'll need to look into a fuel cell, fire system, and possibly upgrading the cage.

Glad to answer questions as needed, and find someone in your area who can help shepherd you through this.

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FastFroggy   SCCA catagory for my 914-4   Apr 29 2024, 12:40 PM
GregAmy   Oh boy, big long discussion...but let's start ...   Apr 30 2024, 07:16 AM
GregAmy   Some updates. I'm reviewing the regs, and the...   Apr 30 2024, 08:14 AM
FastFroggy   Thank you GregA, Lots of good info. I have been ...   Apr 30 2024, 11:03 AM
GregAmy   I'll PM you to continue the discussion if that...   Apr 30 2024, 02:31 PM
ChrisFoley   Regarding fuel cells, my Production car custom fue...   Apr 30 2024, 12:32 PM
BillJ   If going racing (circuit course not autox) then ge...   Apr 30 2024, 12:39 PM
FastFroggy   BillJ, you bring up a very good point. The 914 is ...   Apr 30 2024, 04:19 PM
GregAmy   Previously ITA logbook(lost to time) out in Colora...   Apr 30 2024, 08:11 PM
brant   You should probably show us a picture I might ev...   Apr 30 2024, 07:01 PM
ChrisFoley   EP will restrict you to 7x15 wheels, 40mm carbs, a...   May 1 2024, 04:48 AM
GregAmy   Chris, we have a new brake rule in Prod, think it ...   May 1 2024, 06:50 AM
FastFroggy   Thanks for all the insight. Really appreciate it. ...   May 1 2024, 06:54 AM
GregAmy   Do you have your schools signed off yet? What...   May 1 2024, 07:49 AM
FastFroggy   Yes, I have my school signed off. Plan is to hav...   May 1 2024, 08:40 AM
ChrisFoley   914-6 has vented front and solid rear rotors. Usin...   May 1 2024, 10:59 AM
FastFroggy   batter batter swing..... on photos. Will take a da...   May 1 2024, 02:51 PM
Charles Freeborn   ... then there's vintage. You'd be in VP2 ...   May 3 2024, 08:21 PM
brant   ... then there's vintage. You'd be in VP2...   May 4 2024, 07:32 AM
GregAmy   what is the displacement again? For historics raci...   May 5 2024, 07:04 AM
Charles Freeborn   [quote name='Charles Freeborn' post='3143151' dat...   May 5 2024, 09:03 PM
brant   No matter what sanctioning body Classes often incl...   May 5 2024, 09:24 AM
FastFroggy   Just noticed that I missed a few questions. a. y...   May 6 2024, 05:38 AM
FastFroggy   Thanks again for all who are contributing. Been ...   May 6 2024, 03:24 PM
GregAmy   ...I am considering to class the car in GT3. I wou...   May 7 2024, 07:09 AM
Charles Freeborn   Your SCCA license will work for pretty much any am...   May 6 2024, 09:06 PM
FastFroggy   Hope this finally works, will get photos of the fr...   May 7 2024, 07:24 AM
GregAmy   >>> I'd need to see your cage... Loo...   May 7 2024, 08:33 AM
moto914   Great thread.   May 7 2024, 10:20 AM
FastFroggy   Thanks for the clarity of feedback. I have a follo...   May 7 2024, 12:47 PM
GregAmy   Arm Restraints are required for the Targa, but it ...   May 7 2024, 01:27 PM
ChrisFoley   IIRC, in the production classes, if you remove the...   May 7 2024, 02:41 PM
groot   You're local to me... and if I recall, you may...   May 7 2024, 05:38 PM
brant   Nice to see you here kevin   May 7 2024, 05:46 PM
groot   Thanks, Brant... I stalk every once in a while... ...   May 7 2024, 05:54 PM
GregAmy   The whole open-top/closed-top thing is a PITA and ...   May 8 2024, 06:53 AM
gms   you might want to check out VSCDA and Midwestern ...   May 8 2024, 09:36 AM
FastFroggy   GregAmy, Somewhat glad to hear I was the only one ...   May 8 2024, 11:57 AM
Charles Freeborn   Fun looking car. Similar to my last one built by A...   May 9 2024, 10:43 AM
infraredcalvin   Raising Arizona :lol4: @GregAmy   May 10 2024, 09:18 PM
Charles Freeborn   Raising Arizona :lol4: [b]@[url=http://www.91...   May 11 2024, 10:12 PM
GregAmy   :beer2:   May 11 2024, 05:33 AM
FastFroggy   Progress from Saturday: engine and trans finally b...   May 16 2024, 09:02 AM
FastFroggy   Does anyone know where I can find the missing chok...   May 16 2024, 09:03 AM
ChrisFoley   Does anyone know where I can find the missing cho...   May 18 2024, 12:47 PM
FastFroggy   Does anyone know where I can find the missing ch...   May 20 2024, 06:46 AM
FastFroggy   update from this weekend: Still needs tidying up...   May 16 2024, 09:03 AM
FastFroggy   oops..   May 16 2024, 09:03 AM
Charles Freeborn   https://www.carburetion.com/   May 18 2024, 08:53 AM


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