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neilbardsley
post May 20 2024, 06:59 AM
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Is this kit compatible with the type 4 filter? Seems like pretty easy add on?

I would prefer a coupling that didn't use the external filter until 180f but can't find a complete kit.
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ChrisFoley
post May 21 2024, 11:27 AM
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In my experience on the race track, continuous operating at oil temps much above 225F was detrimental to oil pressure. Not sure if it was change in viscosity or larger bearing clearances or some combination of the two.
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post May 21 2024, 11:46 AM
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QUOTE(ChrisFoley @ May 21 2024, 01:27 PM) *

In my experience on the race track, continuous operating at oil temps much above 225F was detrimental to oil pressure. Not sure if it was change in viscosity or larger bearing clearances or some combination of the two.

Within limits viscosity can be addressed. When I used to crew, it was common to run thicker oil to account for the viscosity loss. The problem was on cool mornings that meant heating the oil sump and the engine block before starting to keep from starving the bearings when oil was cold. It’s all just trade-offs.

Regarding gauge pressure - it isn’t the be all end all. As long as there is sufficient oil being supplied to the bearing, the hydrodynamic oil wedge will be maintained and the bearing and crank will be protected.

To put some numbers to this, if oil pressure is nominally 60 psi at 5000 rpm with 210F oil, and things get hot, oil viscosity decreases and oil pressure (gauge) drops to 50 psi, there will still be plenty of hydrodynamic pressure within the bearing to support the crank loads.

If on the other hand the supply pressure (gauge) drops to 25 psi at 5500 RPM, sure there is going to be a loss of the oil wedge and increased bearing and/or crank wear.

This is getting pretty far off topic into the realm of racing, high engine loads, and RPMs that most engines only see momentarily. I don’t mean to discount your observation on track.

However, track use shouldn’t be taken to be the same as street use of extend high speed driving at legal posted limits plus some long arm of the law fudge factor.

Anecdotally my 1st 914 was a 1911cc and I used to cruise at 80-85. Midwest summer temps into 90s and low triple digit are the norm. Stock oil cooler. That engine ran 100k miles. Was it down on power at the end? Sure, but what engine isn’t by then.
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neilbardsley   External oil cooler kit?   May 20 2024, 06:59 AM
technicalninja   Pricey but BAD ASS! https://tangerineracing.c...   May 20 2024, 07:06 AM
GregAmy   Pricey but BAD ASS! https://tangerineracing....   May 20 2024, 07:43 AM
neilbardsley   I would really appreciate someone answering the qu...   May 20 2024, 07:57 AM
GregAmy   I would really appreciate someone answering the q...   May 20 2024, 08:10 AM
neilbardsley   I would really appreciate someone answering the ...   May 20 2024, 08:44 AM
technicalninja   Do it right, do it once. - GA There's your...   May 20 2024, 08:17 AM
technicalninja   Ah! you're looking for application data. ...   May 20 2024, 09:08 AM
Superhawk996   3/4 x 16tpi threads are what is on the 914 oil fil...   May 20 2024, 09:46 AM
neilbardsley   3/4 x 16tpi threads are what is on the 914 oil fi...   May 20 2024, 01:39 PM
ChrisFoley   I hate sandwich adapters on a T4 engine. Edit: ...   May 20 2024, 11:57 AM
Shivers   BAS makes an adapter for the internal cooler. 100 ...   May 20 2024, 12:39 PM
930cabman   If Chris puts his name on it, it's got my vote...   May 20 2024, 01:14 PM
VaccaRabite   If Chris puts his name on it, it's got my vot...   May 20 2024, 02:51 PM
930cabman   If Chris puts his name on it, it's got my vo...   May 20 2024, 02:58 PM
Superhawk996   [quote name='VaccaRabite' post='3146398' date='Ma...   May 20 2024, 06:00 PM
GregAmy   I nice reference that I keep a link for. Sometimes...   May 20 2024, 03:45 PM
Dave_Darling   I found that the straight-out fittings on the sand...   May 20 2024, 06:06 PM
Olympic 914   I found that the straight-out fittings on the san...   May 21 2024, 06:45 AM
neilbardsley   So my idea in adding this was to bring my oil temp...   May 21 2024, 02:44 AM
neilbardsley   Lots very clean. Like the rubber connectors. I g...   May 21 2024, 07:50 AM
technicalninja   [quote name='VaccaRabite' post='3146398' date='M...   May 21 2024, 09:15 AM
neilbardsley   [quote name='Superhawk996' post='3146420' date='M...   May 21 2024, 10:28 AM
Superhawk996   I think that water will heat quicker than oil s...   May 21 2024, 11:11 AM
neilbardsley   I think that water will heat quicker than oil ...   May 22 2024, 05:16 AM
Superhawk996   I'm aware that water doesn't boil below ...   May 22 2024, 06:04 AM
neilbardsley   I'm aware that water doesn't boil below...   May 22 2024, 07:09 AM
Superhawk996   To double down on what Ninja posted, I think it’...   May 21 2024, 09:40 AM
Superhawk996   Probably time to roll this out again too. Look a...   May 21 2024, 09:54 AM
technicalninja   Note: modern oils have expanded the thermal per...   May 21 2024, 10:08 AM
930cabman   250F is too hot for me, 210 - 230 is a good range ...   May 21 2024, 10:10 AM
Superhawk996   Here is what happens to an engine that has been ru...   May 21 2024, 11:18 AM
black73   Here is what happens to an engine that has been r...   May 22 2024, 03:41 AM
Superhawk996   Here is what happens to an engine that has been ...   May 22 2024, 06:21 AM
ChrisFoley   In my experience on the race track, continuous ope...   May 21 2024, 11:27 AM
Superhawk996   In my experience on the race track, continuous op...   May 21 2024, 11:46 AM
neilbardsley   In my experience on the race track, continuous op...   May 22 2024, 05:32 AM
technicalninja   Superhawk's pictures and diagrams are worth a ...   May 21 2024, 12:10 PM
GregAmy   We have similar discussions in General Aviation fl...   May 22 2024, 07:38 AM
neilbardsley   We have similar discussions in General Aviation f...   May 22 2024, 07:47 AM
Superhawk996   * You don't have to "boil off" the...   May 22 2024, 08:00 AM
Superhawk996   I feel like I’ve dragged this debate for far too...   May 22 2024, 08:10 AM
technicalninja   I feel like I’ve dragged this debate for far to...   May 22 2024, 09:00 AM
Superhawk996   I also said “I’ll leave it to you to judge the...   May 22 2024, 09:33 AM


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