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neilbardsley
post May 20 2024, 06:59 AM
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https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/165865762191?mkc...&media=COPY

Is this kit compatible with the type 4 filter? Seems like pretty easy add on?

I would prefer a coupling that didn't use the external filter until 180f but can't find a complete kit.
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post May 21 2024, 11:18 AM
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Here is what happens to an engine that has been run too cold with excessive condensation causing rust up in the oil breather.

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As always, it’s your car and your decision what to do based on personal opinion. Bear in mind that physics doesn’t care, and there are consequences to not running oil hot enough to drive out the condensation.
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post May 22 2024, 03:41 AM
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QUOTE(Superhawk996 @ May 21 2024, 12:18 PM) *

Here is what happens to an engine that has been run too cold with excessive condensation causing rust up in the oil breather.




Fact or opinion? How do you verify that to be the cause?


A little different take from the Bob Is The Oil Guy forum.
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post May 22 2024, 06:21 AM
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QUOTE(black73 @ May 22 2024, 05:41 AM) *

QUOTE(Superhawk996 @ May 21 2024, 12:18 PM) *

Here is what happens to an engine that has been run too cold with excessive condensation causing rust up in the oil breather.




Fact or opinion? How do you verify that to be the cause?



That engine when torn down was run without cooling flaps and with a cobbled deflector to the oil cooler. This caused the engine and oil to have extended warm up and to run cooler than it was designed to run. I don’t know the drive cycles it was subject to. However, if this was run infrequently and run on short trips, that would only make matters worse. Based on the amount of rust and sludge that was in the sump, and the condition of the breather, I’d guess lots of short trips.

For those old enough to recall the 80’s, removal of cooling flaps was a “fix” applied to many 914’s that were thought to be running hot by well meaning but misguided folks that tried to make air cooled engines run at the same oil temps as water pumpers.

Removal of cooling flaps not only results in delayed initial warm up, but overheating at high load because the oil cooler airflow is practically non-existent.

When some finally realized that these engines are actually air AND oil cooled, they got even more creative (in the case of this engine) and removed the flaps but made a deflector to force air to get the cooler at all times - presumably to avoid the aforementioned tendency to overheat under high load.

The 80s and 90s generally were not kind to 914’s. Lots of these cars end up in the hands of people that didn’t understand air cooling and whom were too broke to maintain them properly. They were considered cheap and disposable.
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neilbardsley   External oil cooler kit?   May 20 2024, 06:59 AM
technicalninja   Pricey but BAD ASS! https://tangerineracing.c...   May 20 2024, 07:06 AM
GregAmy   Pricey but BAD ASS! https://tangerineracing....   May 20 2024, 07:43 AM
neilbardsley   I would really appreciate someone answering the qu...   May 20 2024, 07:57 AM
GregAmy   I would really appreciate someone answering the q...   May 20 2024, 08:10 AM
neilbardsley   I would really appreciate someone answering the ...   May 20 2024, 08:44 AM
technicalninja   Do it right, do it once. - GA There's your...   May 20 2024, 08:17 AM
technicalninja   Ah! you're looking for application data. ...   May 20 2024, 09:08 AM
Superhawk996   3/4 x 16tpi threads are what is on the 914 oil fil...   May 20 2024, 09:46 AM
neilbardsley   3/4 x 16tpi threads are what is on the 914 oil fi...   May 20 2024, 01:39 PM
ChrisFoley   I hate sandwich adapters on a T4 engine. Edit: ...   May 20 2024, 11:57 AM
Shivers   BAS makes an adapter for the internal cooler. 100 ...   May 20 2024, 12:39 PM
930cabman   If Chris puts his name on it, it's got my vote...   May 20 2024, 01:14 PM
VaccaRabite   If Chris puts his name on it, it's got my vot...   May 20 2024, 02:51 PM
930cabman   If Chris puts his name on it, it's got my vo...   May 20 2024, 02:58 PM
Superhawk996   [quote name='VaccaRabite' post='3146398' date='Ma...   May 20 2024, 06:00 PM
GregAmy   I nice reference that I keep a link for. Sometimes...   May 20 2024, 03:45 PM
Dave_Darling   I found that the straight-out fittings on the sand...   May 20 2024, 06:06 PM
Olympic 914   I found that the straight-out fittings on the san...   May 21 2024, 06:45 AM
neilbardsley   So my idea in adding this was to bring my oil temp...   May 21 2024, 02:44 AM
neilbardsley   Lots very clean. Like the rubber connectors. I g...   May 21 2024, 07:50 AM
technicalninja   [quote name='VaccaRabite' post='3146398' date='M...   May 21 2024, 09:15 AM
neilbardsley   [quote name='Superhawk996' post='3146420' date='M...   May 21 2024, 10:28 AM
Superhawk996   I think that water will heat quicker than oil s...   May 21 2024, 11:11 AM
neilbardsley   I think that water will heat quicker than oil ...   May 22 2024, 05:16 AM
Superhawk996   I'm aware that water doesn't boil below ...   May 22 2024, 06:04 AM
neilbardsley   I'm aware that water doesn't boil below...   May 22 2024, 07:09 AM
Superhawk996   To double down on what Ninja posted, I think it’...   May 21 2024, 09:40 AM
Superhawk996   Probably time to roll this out again too. Look a...   May 21 2024, 09:54 AM
technicalninja   Note: modern oils have expanded the thermal per...   May 21 2024, 10:08 AM
930cabman   250F is too hot for me, 210 - 230 is a good range ...   May 21 2024, 10:10 AM
Superhawk996   Here is what happens to an engine that has been ru...   May 21 2024, 11:18 AM
black73   Here is what happens to an engine that has been r...   May 22 2024, 03:41 AM
Superhawk996   Here is what happens to an engine that has been ...   May 22 2024, 06:21 AM
ChrisFoley   In my experience on the race track, continuous ope...   May 21 2024, 11:27 AM
Superhawk996   In my experience on the race track, continuous op...   May 21 2024, 11:46 AM
neilbardsley   In my experience on the race track, continuous op...   May 22 2024, 05:32 AM
technicalninja   Superhawk's pictures and diagrams are worth a ...   May 21 2024, 12:10 PM
GregAmy   We have similar discussions in General Aviation fl...   May 22 2024, 07:38 AM
neilbardsley   We have similar discussions in General Aviation f...   May 22 2024, 07:47 AM
Superhawk996   * You don't have to "boil off" the...   May 22 2024, 08:00 AM
Superhawk996   I feel like I’ve dragged this debate for far too...   May 22 2024, 08:10 AM
technicalninja   I feel like I’ve dragged this debate for far to...   May 22 2024, 09:00 AM
Superhawk996   I also said “I’ll leave it to you to judge the...   May 22 2024, 09:33 AM


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