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> Why did the 1.8 engines have L-jet?
VaccaRabite
post May 31 2024, 08:05 AM
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Has there ever been a reason Porsche/VW speced L-jet injection for the 1.8 engines instead of D-jet like the 1.7 and 2.0 engines used?

Usually when manufactures do this there are financial reasons for the change. Either they have the same engine on other vehicles they produce, or its just cheaper to use whatever part is being used.

But Porsche didn't use the T4 motor on other cars at the time. And if it was cheaper, they would have done away with Djet on the 1.7 and 2.0. I don't think VW was using l-let at the time for the bus... but maybe?

There has to be a reason that Porsche wanted Ljet on the 1.8.

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post May 31 2024, 10:49 AM
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more modern, simpler and more emissions friendly


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Has there ever been a reason Porsche/VW speced L-jet injection for the 1.8 engines instead of D-jet like the 1.7 and 2.0 engines used?

Usually when manufactures do this there are financial reasons for the change. Either they have the same engine on other vehicles they produce, or its just cheaper to use whatever part is being used.

But Porsche didn't use the T4 motor on other cars at the time. And if it was cheaper, they would have done away with Djet on the 1.7 and 2.0. I don't think VW was using l-let at the time for the bus... but maybe?

There has to be a reason that Porsche wanted Ljet on the 1.8.

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QUOTE(dr914@autoatlanta.com @ May 31 2024, 10:49 AM) *

more modern, simpler and more emissions friendly


QUOTE(VaccaRabite @ May 31 2024, 07:05 AM) *

Has there ever been a reason Porsche/VW speced L-jet injection for the 1.8 engines instead of D-jet like the 1.7 and 2.0 engines used?

Usually when manufactures do this there are financial reasons for the change. Either they have the same engine on other vehicles they produce, or its just cheaper to use whatever part is being used.

But Porsche didn't use the T4 motor on other cars at the time. And if it was cheaper, they would have done away with Djet on the 1.7 and 2.0. I don't think VW was using l-let at the time for the bus... but maybe?

There has to be a reason that Porsche wanted Ljet on the 1.8.

Zach



correct answer. way simpler. way cheaper. emissions emissions emissions.

D jet by Bosch (Germany) is Electrojet by Bendix (Chicago).
They bought the patents or the license when Bendix and Chrysler gave up.
L jet is the native german system. completely their own idea.

and.......it wasn't anything to do with Porsche. or Porsche's choice.
100% VW.
VW backed Bosch on D Jet even beore Mercedes Benz decided to dip their toe in the water, despite being asked first. VW never hesitated. And they got L jet first.
Primarily it was all about VW engines. The 914 had one of those.

Porsche don't use L jet on their aircooled engines until the 964 comes along 15 years later. i think its on the 924. but thats a VW engine again. and i suppose its on the 928 or a version there of.
by then everybody was using L jet on everything pretty much.
or later versions of L jet.
yes - its on the 912E. but thats a VW engine. plain and simple. supplied to Porsche.

The VW 412 is numero uno for L jet. 3 months before the 914.
same 1.8 engine more or less. but the honour goes to the 412.
the California market VW bus is the 3rd car, about 3 months after the 914.

Production of the 1.8 in 74 is delayed by 3 months because the L jet components were new and in limited supply. a staged introduction.

thats not to say Porsche were sitting on the hands during all this.
no. they were developing this.
(finally found a decent image of one).


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this would have been in the replacement for the 914.
intended for production in 1972/73.
its the engine (or one of the versions) for the aborted VW EA266 -Porsche Project 1966.
came in 3 cylinder and 4 cylinder laid flat version for what would have replaced the beetle. with power range from 50hp up to 110 hp. the 4 cylinder 914 would have got the 110 hp version along with a souped up version of the VW saloon. basically a Golf GTI before the GTI.

not sure what version of fuel injection this would have got. its hard to tell.
but it dates from 1967-1972 development period.

all under engineering direction of f. piech.
the idea was a modular engine family.
f piech was one hell of a evil genius.
but this project blew up in his face big time.

porsche were developing flat V versions of this for their own cars.
a flat 6 derived from the VW flat inline 3. and a flat V8 derived from the inline 4.

but it all got detonated.
so they battled on with the tail end of the aircooled cars while VW under a lot of pressure very quickly developed up the Golf and other water cooleds and cut Porsche adrift, terminating their development contract which had been in place since the end of WW2.

basically the 73 onwards 914s were never really intended to exist in f piechs masterplan for "world domination".
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VaccaRabite   Why did the 1.8 engines have L-jet?   May 31 2024, 08:05 AM
930cabman   Bosch made them a deal they could not refuse :be...   May 31 2024, 08:29 AM
brant   Djet came out 1970 or earlier Ljet didn’t come ...   May 31 2024, 08:40 AM
Van B   It was the guinea pig for the FI system that was t...   May 31 2024, 08:44 AM
technicalninja   Progress... The 1.8 was born AFTER Bosch created ...   May 31 2024, 08:45 AM
JamesM   The D-Jet was rare enough that I have never had ...   May 31 2024, 03:18 PM
wonkipop   Progress... The 1.8 was born AFTER Bosch created...   May 31 2024, 04:48 PM
Maltese Falcon   Also known as the Bosch 'Barn Door efi. N/Den...   May 31 2024, 08:59 AM
Root_Werks   Thought I read someplace the 914-4 2.0's would...   May 31 2024, 10:03 AM
JeffBowlsby   D-Jet was not the first EFI, but it was the first ...   May 31 2024, 10:05 AM
dr914@autoatlanta.com   more modern, simpler and more emissions friendly ...   May 31 2024, 10:49 AM
wonkipop   more modern, simpler and more emissions friendly ...   May 31 2024, 04:02 PM
wonkipop   there is more to this too. there was a rival propo...   May 31 2024, 04:21 PM
wonkipop   there is another reason for L jet and it being nec...   May 31 2024, 06:47 PM
wonkipop   the member here who cracked all this open was @L-...   May 31 2024, 07:12 PM
L-Jet914   the member here who cracked all this open was @[...   May 31 2024, 08:24 PM
wonkipop   [quote name='wonkipop' post='3148575' date='May 3...   May 31 2024, 09:42 PM
L-Jet914   I can see why they left the vacuum hose on the adv...   Jun 1 2024, 08:03 PM
wonkipop   I can see why they left the vacuum hose on the ad...   Jun 1 2024, 08:51 PM
wonkipop   @technicalninja here you go for some "world...   Jun 1 2024, 09:30 PM
technicalninja   @wonkipop Thank you for all of your knowledge...   Jun 2 2024, 07:06 AM
JeffBowlsby   No ruffled feathers here...we are here in part to ...   Jun 2 2024, 07:58 AM
technicalninja   Druckfühlergesteuert... Now, there's a mouth...   Jun 2 2024, 08:14 AM
JeffBowlsby   Thanks! Then there was also Rochester Ramjet ...   Jun 2 2024, 08:21 AM
technicalninja   And here's the REALLY sad part... Just before...   Jun 2 2024, 08:32 AM
wonkipop   @technicalninja mr. b (Jeff Bowlsby) knows every...   Jun 2 2024, 04:34 PM
wonkipop   i might add @technicalninja there is very littl...   Jun 2 2024, 04:46 PM
wonkipop   @technicalninja - re first fuel injection made in...   Jun 2 2024, 05:00 PM
technicalninja   Two ways to measure load on an engine. Manifold va...   Jun 2 2024, 05:13 PM
wonkipop   Two ways to measure load on an engine. Manifold v...   Jun 2 2024, 05:43 PM
L-Jet914   [quote name='technicalninja' post='3148834' date=...   Jun 2 2024, 07:17 PM
wonkipop   @L-Jet914 yeah - in a similar vane (no pun intend...   Jun 3 2024, 12:47 AM
wonkipop   ps @technicalninja one of the cars that did hav...   Jun 2 2024, 05:58 PM
wonkipop   @technicalninja and anyone else vaguely interest...   Jun 3 2024, 04:31 AM
VaccaRabite   So L-jet was on VW buses and 412s starting in 1974...   Jun 3 2024, 06:53 AM
wonkipop   So L-jet was on VW buses and 412s starting in 197...   Jun 3 2024, 12:41 PM
mrholland2   So if this was the case: i suspect that no matte...   Jun 4 2024, 10:06 AM
wonkipop   So if this was the case: i suspect that no matt...   Jun 4 2024, 04:37 PM
wonkipop   So if this was the case: i suspect that no matt...   Jun 4 2024, 11:09 PM
L-Jet914   So if this was the case: i suspect that no mat...   Jun 6 2024, 01:06 AM
wonkipop   [quote name='mrholland2' post='3149086' date='Ju...   Jun 6 2024, 03:39 PM
L-Jet914   [quote name='wonkipop' post='3149230' date='Jun ...   Jun 6 2024, 06:25 PM
brant   your logic makes sense... but I would guess the st...   Jun 4 2024, 10:35 AM
JeffBowlsby   Djet is bank fire. 2 banks. For the 914, it’s ...   Jun 4 2024, 01:20 PM
wonkipop   Djet is bank fire. 2 banks. For the 914, it’s...   Jun 4 2024, 04:00 PM
technicalninja   All the L-jet I am familiar with is batch in the s...   Jun 4 2024, 01:38 PM
ClayPerrine   All the L-jet I am familiar with is batch in the ...   Jun 4 2024, 01:54 PM
brant   By now All the forms have changed likely Ha…. ...   Jun 4 2024, 08:52 PM
wonkipop   By now All the forms have changed likely Ha…. ...   Jun 4 2024, 09:50 PM
technicalninja   Here's the REAL kicker... High end aftermarke...   Jun 4 2024, 09:08 PM
JeffBowlsby   All things considered how is direct injection bene...   Jun 4 2024, 09:58 PM
wonkipop   All things considered how is direct injection ben...   Jun 4 2024, 10:04 PM
technicalninja   All things considered how is direct injection ben...   Jun 4 2024, 10:28 PM
technicalninja   Now, I wouldn't try to add it to an engine tha...   Jun 4 2024, 10:54 PM
wonkipop   here is another twist on it that happens when you ...   Jun 4 2024, 11:29 PM
technicalninja   One final note on DI reliability... A good friend...   Jun 4 2024, 11:30 PM
wonkipop   @L-Jet914 yeah thats the grey area then the depa...   Jun 6 2024, 10:01 PM
wonkipop   here is the emission specs on the two different 76...   Jun 6 2024, 10:58 PM
StarBear   CD capacitive discharge - could that be the ignito...   Jun 7 2024, 07:04 AM
technicalninja   Those are resistors, not capacitors. Capacitors a...   Jun 7 2024, 07:34 AM
wonkipop   Those are resistors, not capacitors. Capacitors ...   Jun 7 2024, 04:30 PM
technicalninja   The early use of CDI ignition was single strike (m...   Jun 7 2024, 09:46 AM


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