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> Why did the 1.8 engines have L-jet?
VaccaRabite
post May 31 2024, 08:05 AM
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Has there ever been a reason Porsche/VW speced L-jet injection for the 1.8 engines instead of D-jet like the 1.7 and 2.0 engines used?

Usually when manufactures do this there are financial reasons for the change. Either they have the same engine on other vehicles they produce, or its just cheaper to use whatever part is being used.

But Porsche didn't use the T4 motor on other cars at the time. And if it was cheaper, they would have done away with Djet on the 1.7 and 2.0. I don't think VW was using l-let at the time for the bus... but maybe?

There has to be a reason that Porsche wanted Ljet on the 1.8.

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post May 31 2024, 06:47 PM
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there is another reason for L jet and it being necessary in 1974.
i'd forgotten it but was a discovery in digging up all the "minutia" as steve calls it - for our L jet research.

VW could not get the 1.7 with D jet to work with automatic transmissions and pass CARB emissions regs (california) for 1974 calendar year. the D jet with auto could still pass USEPA regs for 74 but EPA was one year behind CARB.

that meant their big sedan/station wagon was a goner for 74 and they still wanted to sell it for one more year. the water cooleds were not ready.
and 99.9% of 4112/412s sold in the states were autos. thats what the customers wanted.

so.........L jet was absolutely the only way they could go with the type 4 engine.

only auto 412s as 4 door sedans and 2 door variants were sold in california in 1974.
no stickshift and no fastback version.

the 2 door fastback was sold in the rest of the USA with a D jet 1.7 in 1974 and only with a stick shift. very small numbers were sold. the rest were auto 1.8s as 4 doors and variants. there was some difference with california models i believe. no EGR in 49 states is think what happened.

so.......thats the big reason. the 1.8 low compression unleeaded fuel engine HAD to have L jet to get through california emissions with a slush box.

and.....that was it, VW just made the executive decision that all the 1.8s aircooled in the USA got L jet and committed to it.

rest of the world lost D jet on aircooled type 4 engines and they all reverted to twin carbs. no L jet in rest of the world. only in the USA.
i have a feeling that the 2.0L 914 engine in europe might have been it for type 4s with D jet from 74 on. not 100% but it appears D jet just stops around that time for the rest of VW range in ROW.

in europe the opel manta was released with L jet and became first car in europe market to be sold with it.

time line is
AUG 73 VW 412 (usa model).
NOV 73 Porsche 914 (usa model)
JAN 74 VW bus with 1.8 engine and auto box for california only.
MARCH 74 OPEL manta (german domestic market).
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VaccaRabite   Why did the 1.8 engines have L-jet?   May 31 2024, 08:05 AM
930cabman   Bosch made them a deal they could not refuse :be...   May 31 2024, 08:29 AM
brant   Djet came out 1970 or earlier Ljet didn’t come ...   May 31 2024, 08:40 AM
Van B   It was the guinea pig for the FI system that was t...   May 31 2024, 08:44 AM
technicalninja   Progress... The 1.8 was born AFTER Bosch created ...   May 31 2024, 08:45 AM
JamesM   The D-Jet was rare enough that I have never had ...   May 31 2024, 03:18 PM
wonkipop   Progress... The 1.8 was born AFTER Bosch created...   May 31 2024, 04:48 PM
Maltese Falcon   Also known as the Bosch 'Barn Door efi. N/Den...   May 31 2024, 08:59 AM
Root_Werks   Thought I read someplace the 914-4 2.0's would...   May 31 2024, 10:03 AM
JeffBowlsby   D-Jet was not the first EFI, but it was the first ...   May 31 2024, 10:05 AM
dr914@autoatlanta.com   more modern, simpler and more emissions friendly ...   May 31 2024, 10:49 AM
wonkipop   more modern, simpler and more emissions friendly ...   May 31 2024, 04:02 PM
wonkipop   there is more to this too. there was a rival propo...   May 31 2024, 04:21 PM
wonkipop   there is another reason for L jet and it being nec...   May 31 2024, 06:47 PM
wonkipop   the member here who cracked all this open was @L-...   May 31 2024, 07:12 PM
L-Jet914   the member here who cracked all this open was @[...   May 31 2024, 08:24 PM
wonkipop   [quote name='wonkipop' post='3148575' date='May 3...   May 31 2024, 09:42 PM
L-Jet914   I can see why they left the vacuum hose on the adv...   Jun 1 2024, 08:03 PM
wonkipop   I can see why they left the vacuum hose on the ad...   Jun 1 2024, 08:51 PM
wonkipop   @technicalninja here you go for some "world...   Jun 1 2024, 09:30 PM
technicalninja   @wonkipop Thank you for all of your knowledge...   Jun 2 2024, 07:06 AM
JeffBowlsby   No ruffled feathers here...we are here in part to ...   Jun 2 2024, 07:58 AM
technicalninja   Druckfühlergesteuert... Now, there's a mouth...   Jun 2 2024, 08:14 AM
JeffBowlsby   Thanks! Then there was also Rochester Ramjet ...   Jun 2 2024, 08:21 AM
technicalninja   And here's the REALLY sad part... Just before...   Jun 2 2024, 08:32 AM
wonkipop   @technicalninja mr. b (Jeff Bowlsby) knows every...   Jun 2 2024, 04:34 PM
wonkipop   i might add @technicalninja there is very littl...   Jun 2 2024, 04:46 PM
wonkipop   @technicalninja - re first fuel injection made in...   Jun 2 2024, 05:00 PM
technicalninja   Two ways to measure load on an engine. Manifold va...   Jun 2 2024, 05:13 PM
wonkipop   Two ways to measure load on an engine. Manifold v...   Jun 2 2024, 05:43 PM
L-Jet914   [quote name='technicalninja' post='3148834' date=...   Jun 2 2024, 07:17 PM
wonkipop   @L-Jet914 yeah - in a similar vane (no pun intend...   Jun 3 2024, 12:47 AM
wonkipop   ps @technicalninja one of the cars that did hav...   Jun 2 2024, 05:58 PM
wonkipop   @technicalninja and anyone else vaguely interest...   Jun 3 2024, 04:31 AM
VaccaRabite   So L-jet was on VW buses and 412s starting in 1974...   Jun 3 2024, 06:53 AM
wonkipop   So L-jet was on VW buses and 412s starting in 197...   Jun 3 2024, 12:41 PM
mrholland2   So if this was the case: i suspect that no matte...   Jun 4 2024, 10:06 AM
wonkipop   So if this was the case: i suspect that no matt...   Jun 4 2024, 04:37 PM
wonkipop   So if this was the case: i suspect that no matt...   Jun 4 2024, 11:09 PM
L-Jet914   So if this was the case: i suspect that no mat...   Jun 6 2024, 01:06 AM
wonkipop   [quote name='mrholland2' post='3149086' date='Ju...   Jun 6 2024, 03:39 PM
L-Jet914   [quote name='wonkipop' post='3149230' date='Jun ...   Jun 6 2024, 06:25 PM
brant   your logic makes sense... but I would guess the st...   Jun 4 2024, 10:35 AM
JeffBowlsby   Djet is bank fire. 2 banks. For the 914, it’s ...   Jun 4 2024, 01:20 PM
wonkipop   Djet is bank fire. 2 banks. For the 914, it’s...   Jun 4 2024, 04:00 PM
technicalninja   All the L-jet I am familiar with is batch in the s...   Jun 4 2024, 01:38 PM
ClayPerrine   All the L-jet I am familiar with is batch in the ...   Jun 4 2024, 01:54 PM
brant   By now All the forms have changed likely Ha…. ...   Jun 4 2024, 08:52 PM
wonkipop   By now All the forms have changed likely Ha…. ...   Jun 4 2024, 09:50 PM
technicalninja   Here's the REAL kicker... High end aftermarke...   Jun 4 2024, 09:08 PM
JeffBowlsby   All things considered how is direct injection bene...   Jun 4 2024, 09:58 PM
wonkipop   All things considered how is direct injection ben...   Jun 4 2024, 10:04 PM
technicalninja   All things considered how is direct injection ben...   Jun 4 2024, 10:28 PM
technicalninja   Now, I wouldn't try to add it to an engine tha...   Jun 4 2024, 10:54 PM
wonkipop   here is another twist on it that happens when you ...   Jun 4 2024, 11:29 PM
technicalninja   One final note on DI reliability... A good friend...   Jun 4 2024, 11:30 PM
wonkipop   @L-Jet914 yeah thats the grey area then the depa...   Jun 6 2024, 10:01 PM
wonkipop   here is the emission specs on the two different 76...   Jun 6 2024, 10:58 PM
StarBear   CD capacitive discharge - could that be the ignito...   Jun 7 2024, 07:04 AM
technicalninja   Those are resistors, not capacitors. Capacitors a...   Jun 7 2024, 07:34 AM
wonkipop   Those are resistors, not capacitors. Capacitors ...   Jun 7 2024, 04:30 PM
technicalninja   The early use of CDI ignition was single strike (m...   Jun 7 2024, 09:46 AM


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