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> Why did the 1.8 engines have L-jet?
VaccaRabite
post May 31 2024, 08:05 AM
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Has there ever been a reason Porsche/VW speced L-jet injection for the 1.8 engines instead of D-jet like the 1.7 and 2.0 engines used?

Usually when manufactures do this there are financial reasons for the change. Either they have the same engine on other vehicles they produce, or its just cheaper to use whatever part is being used.

But Porsche didn't use the T4 motor on other cars at the time. And if it was cheaper, they would have done away with Djet on the 1.7 and 2.0. I don't think VW was using l-let at the time for the bus... but maybe?

There has to be a reason that Porsche wanted Ljet on the 1.8.

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post Jun 1 2024, 08:03 PM
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I can see why they left the vacuum hose on the advance side of the vacuum advance/retard unit on the distributor and tucked away for CA certified vehicles because as the ignition curve advances it increases NOx. Being in CA their emissions standards are nuts so 1st thing to go after would be NOx and then HC and CO. So I don't know why mine was reconnected by whoever connected it onto the second port on the t.body.
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post Jun 1 2024, 08:51 PM
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QUOTE(L-Jet914 @ Jun 1 2024, 08:03 PM) *

I can see why they left the vacuum hose on the advance side of the vacuum advance/retard unit on the distributor and tucked away for CA certified vehicles because as the ignition curve advances it increases NOx. Being in CA their emissions standards are nuts so 1st thing to go after would be NOx and then HC and CO. So I don't know why mine was reconnected by whoever connected it onto the second port on the t.body.


so that it only did the NOX reduction thing at idle at lights/standstill - but behaved like VWs were expected to at cruise. run cool. run economically. and run a bit smoother on and off the throttle at cruise. someone in the know did the obvious thing. i think back then the VW dealers understood what was going on with that hose and "on the QT" probably advised - here do this.

all you would had to do was disconnect it again for annual smog. and afterwards re-connect it.

the problem with the 75 state engine (which was identical to 74 cal) was the throttle body appeared to have a vacuum port delete - at least from factory. so you had no choice. i think the 74 calis had a cap over the port you could remove and connect hose.
but again anyone in the know could have just installed a 75 Cal TB or a 74 49 state TB and problem solved.

the 75 cali had an EGR. so even though ignition retarded for NOX reduction at cruise it had the TB port like the 74s and it was connected to EGR. EGR helped the engine to run cooler and cancelled out effects of retarded ignition a little. also restored some fuel economy.

i think what has happened over the years is the knowledge has been lost as to just what that double vac can dizzy and the two hoses did. of course in aus 30 years ago it was completely esoteric. all the cars here just had the single advance can dizzy.

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when i posted above i said that no L jet VW aircooled type 4s ever came to australia.
i'm not sure if its true but i do now remember a story from back in the 90s from a VW bus guy i met from time to time. and he told the story as we was looking over the engine of my 914 at some historic races thing i went to. he claimed a small batch of 1.8 L jet buses came into Aus in the mid 70s sometime. he said they were fully imported from germany unlike the more usual CKD buses (complete knock down) that were being brought in at that time after local production had ceased. if that was true i have never seen any of them. must have been a very small batch of cars. most all i see of the later buses are the 2.0 twin carb ones.

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VaccaRabite   Why did the 1.8 engines have L-jet?   May 31 2024, 08:05 AM
930cabman   Bosch made them a deal they could not refuse :be...   May 31 2024, 08:29 AM
brant   Djet came out 1970 or earlier Ljet didn’t come ...   May 31 2024, 08:40 AM
Van B   It was the guinea pig for the FI system that was t...   May 31 2024, 08:44 AM
technicalninja   Progress... The 1.8 was born AFTER Bosch created ...   May 31 2024, 08:45 AM
JamesM   The D-Jet was rare enough that I have never had ...   May 31 2024, 03:18 PM
wonkipop   Progress... The 1.8 was born AFTER Bosch created...   May 31 2024, 04:48 PM
Maltese Falcon   Also known as the Bosch 'Barn Door efi. N/Den...   May 31 2024, 08:59 AM
Root_Werks   Thought I read someplace the 914-4 2.0's would...   May 31 2024, 10:03 AM
JeffBowlsby   D-Jet was not the first EFI, but it was the first ...   May 31 2024, 10:05 AM
dr914@autoatlanta.com   more modern, simpler and more emissions friendly ...   May 31 2024, 10:49 AM
wonkipop   more modern, simpler and more emissions friendly ...   May 31 2024, 04:02 PM
wonkipop   there is more to this too. there was a rival propo...   May 31 2024, 04:21 PM
wonkipop   there is another reason for L jet and it being nec...   May 31 2024, 06:47 PM
wonkipop   the member here who cracked all this open was @L-...   May 31 2024, 07:12 PM
L-Jet914   the member here who cracked all this open was @[...   May 31 2024, 08:24 PM
wonkipop   [quote name='wonkipop' post='3148575' date='May 3...   May 31 2024, 09:42 PM
L-Jet914   I can see why they left the vacuum hose on the adv...   Jun 1 2024, 08:03 PM
wonkipop   I can see why they left the vacuum hose on the ad...   Jun 1 2024, 08:51 PM
wonkipop   @technicalninja here you go for some "world...   Jun 1 2024, 09:30 PM
technicalninja   @wonkipop Thank you for all of your knowledge...   Jun 2 2024, 07:06 AM
JeffBowlsby   No ruffled feathers here...we are here in part to ...   Jun 2 2024, 07:58 AM
technicalninja   Druckfühlergesteuert... Now, there's a mouth...   Jun 2 2024, 08:14 AM
JeffBowlsby   Thanks! Then there was also Rochester Ramjet ...   Jun 2 2024, 08:21 AM
technicalninja   And here's the REALLY sad part... Just before...   Jun 2 2024, 08:32 AM
wonkipop   @technicalninja mr. b (Jeff Bowlsby) knows every...   Jun 2 2024, 04:34 PM
wonkipop   i might add @technicalninja there is very littl...   Jun 2 2024, 04:46 PM
wonkipop   @technicalninja - re first fuel injection made in...   Jun 2 2024, 05:00 PM
technicalninja   Two ways to measure load on an engine. Manifold va...   Jun 2 2024, 05:13 PM
wonkipop   Two ways to measure load on an engine. Manifold v...   Jun 2 2024, 05:43 PM
L-Jet914   [quote name='technicalninja' post='3148834' date=...   Jun 2 2024, 07:17 PM
wonkipop   @L-Jet914 yeah - in a similar vane (no pun intend...   Jun 3 2024, 12:47 AM
wonkipop   ps @technicalninja one of the cars that did hav...   Jun 2 2024, 05:58 PM
wonkipop   @technicalninja and anyone else vaguely interest...   Jun 3 2024, 04:31 AM
VaccaRabite   So L-jet was on VW buses and 412s starting in 1974...   Jun 3 2024, 06:53 AM
wonkipop   So L-jet was on VW buses and 412s starting in 197...   Jun 3 2024, 12:41 PM
mrholland2   So if this was the case: i suspect that no matte...   Jun 4 2024, 10:06 AM
wonkipop   So if this was the case: i suspect that no matt...   Jun 4 2024, 04:37 PM
wonkipop   So if this was the case: i suspect that no matt...   Jun 4 2024, 11:09 PM
L-Jet914   So if this was the case: i suspect that no mat...   Jun 6 2024, 01:06 AM
wonkipop   [quote name='mrholland2' post='3149086' date='Ju...   Jun 6 2024, 03:39 PM
L-Jet914   [quote name='wonkipop' post='3149230' date='Jun ...   Jun 6 2024, 06:25 PM
brant   your logic makes sense... but I would guess the st...   Jun 4 2024, 10:35 AM
JeffBowlsby   Djet is bank fire. 2 banks. For the 914, it’s ...   Jun 4 2024, 01:20 PM
wonkipop   Djet is bank fire. 2 banks. For the 914, it’s...   Jun 4 2024, 04:00 PM
technicalninja   All the L-jet I am familiar with is batch in the s...   Jun 4 2024, 01:38 PM
ClayPerrine   All the L-jet I am familiar with is batch in the ...   Jun 4 2024, 01:54 PM
brant   By now All the forms have changed likely Ha…. ...   Jun 4 2024, 08:52 PM
wonkipop   By now All the forms have changed likely Ha…. ...   Jun 4 2024, 09:50 PM
technicalninja   Here's the REAL kicker... High end aftermarke...   Jun 4 2024, 09:08 PM
JeffBowlsby   All things considered how is direct injection bene...   Jun 4 2024, 09:58 PM
wonkipop   All things considered how is direct injection ben...   Jun 4 2024, 10:04 PM
technicalninja   All things considered how is direct injection ben...   Jun 4 2024, 10:28 PM
technicalninja   Now, I wouldn't try to add it to an engine tha...   Jun 4 2024, 10:54 PM
wonkipop   here is another twist on it that happens when you ...   Jun 4 2024, 11:29 PM
technicalninja   One final note on DI reliability... A good friend...   Jun 4 2024, 11:30 PM
wonkipop   @L-Jet914 yeah thats the grey area then the depa...   Jun 6 2024, 10:01 PM
wonkipop   here is the emission specs on the two different 76...   Jun 6 2024, 10:58 PM
StarBear   CD capacitive discharge - could that be the ignito...   Jun 7 2024, 07:04 AM
technicalninja   Those are resistors, not capacitors. Capacitors a...   Jun 7 2024, 07:34 AM
wonkipop   Those are resistors, not capacitors. Capacitors ...   Jun 7 2024, 04:30 PM
technicalninja   The early use of CDI ignition was single strike (m...   Jun 7 2024, 09:46 AM


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