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> Why did the 1.8 engines have L-jet?
VaccaRabite
post May 31 2024, 08:05 AM
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Has there ever been a reason Porsche/VW speced L-jet injection for the 1.8 engines instead of D-jet like the 1.7 and 2.0 engines used?

Usually when manufactures do this there are financial reasons for the change. Either they have the same engine on other vehicles they produce, or its just cheaper to use whatever part is being used.

But Porsche didn't use the T4 motor on other cars at the time. And if it was cheaper, they would have done away with Djet on the 1.7 and 2.0. I don't think VW was using l-let at the time for the bus... but maybe?

There has to be a reason that Porsche wanted Ljet on the 1.8.

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post Jun 6 2024, 10:58 PM
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here is the emission specs on the two different 76 models for the same niche.
as recorded on CARB executive orders.


the 76 (75+) 914 2.0 D jet. (75 2.0 is identical in all respects - same sheet with 1975 on it).

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the true 76 MY 912E with L jet.

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pretty much the same - egr, airpump, but 912E runs thermal reactor exhausts instead of cat. (Although i have no idea what that all encompassing term - EM = engine modifications means for 914 2.0? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) ) suspect reason for reactprs on 912 is porsche still had not developed an exhaust system with a cat that would fit in to limited space available with rear engine layout. 911s also had reactors. same problem?

the 912E version of the 2.0 L also got capacitive discharge ignition. don't believe the humble 914 L jets have got that. dunno about 2.0 L 914s

and as far as i can figure out the hp rating goes like this.
a 2.0L 76 914 had 87 bhp or 88PS (euro standard hp). 88 usually quoted.
a 912E had 86 bhp so maybe 87PS.
lost about 1hp over the 914.
suspect with D jet if they could have made it work even more hp loss.

unlike the 914s porsche did do the test work and development on the L jet 912E.
they ran the test car out of the factory from about mid 75 on. had about 6 months before it went into production to make sure it worked ok.

if they could have i am sure they would have kept going with D jet, for the sake of 6 months of cars. but something stopped them.

as a little side note you can see from the certificates that neither the EGR or the CAT could be warrantied for the full 50,000 miles required. hence the I for inspection condition and i guess the mileage counter that had to go in to the 914s of that time with the CATS. already knew they wouldn't make it through full warranty period........
and i am guessing but i could be wrong you would have got that replacement for free?
as part of having to warranty it for 50,000 miles. i imagine anyone who knows for sure and managed to get that service is probably dead these days. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/sad.gif)
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VaccaRabite   Why did the 1.8 engines have L-jet?   May 31 2024, 08:05 AM
930cabman   Bosch made them a deal they could not refuse :be...   May 31 2024, 08:29 AM
brant   Djet came out 1970 or earlier Ljet didn’t come ...   May 31 2024, 08:40 AM
Van B   It was the guinea pig for the FI system that was t...   May 31 2024, 08:44 AM
technicalninja   Progress... The 1.8 was born AFTER Bosch created ...   May 31 2024, 08:45 AM
JamesM   The D-Jet was rare enough that I have never had ...   May 31 2024, 03:18 PM
wonkipop   Progress... The 1.8 was born AFTER Bosch created...   May 31 2024, 04:48 PM
Maltese Falcon   Also known as the Bosch 'Barn Door efi. N/Den...   May 31 2024, 08:59 AM
Root_Werks   Thought I read someplace the 914-4 2.0's would...   May 31 2024, 10:03 AM
JeffBowlsby   D-Jet was not the first EFI, but it was the first ...   May 31 2024, 10:05 AM
dr914@autoatlanta.com   more modern, simpler and more emissions friendly ...   May 31 2024, 10:49 AM
wonkipop   more modern, simpler and more emissions friendly ...   May 31 2024, 04:02 PM
wonkipop   there is more to this too. there was a rival propo...   May 31 2024, 04:21 PM
wonkipop   there is another reason for L jet and it being nec...   May 31 2024, 06:47 PM
wonkipop   the member here who cracked all this open was @L-...   May 31 2024, 07:12 PM
L-Jet914   the member here who cracked all this open was @[...   May 31 2024, 08:24 PM
wonkipop   [quote name='wonkipop' post='3148575' date='May 3...   May 31 2024, 09:42 PM
L-Jet914   I can see why they left the vacuum hose on the adv...   Jun 1 2024, 08:03 PM
wonkipop   I can see why they left the vacuum hose on the ad...   Jun 1 2024, 08:51 PM
wonkipop   @technicalninja here you go for some "world...   Jun 1 2024, 09:30 PM
technicalninja   @wonkipop Thank you for all of your knowledge...   Jun 2 2024, 07:06 AM
JeffBowlsby   No ruffled feathers here...we are here in part to ...   Jun 2 2024, 07:58 AM
technicalninja   Druckfühlergesteuert... Now, there's a mouth...   Jun 2 2024, 08:14 AM
JeffBowlsby   Thanks! Then there was also Rochester Ramjet ...   Jun 2 2024, 08:21 AM
technicalninja   And here's the REALLY sad part... Just before...   Jun 2 2024, 08:32 AM
wonkipop   @technicalninja mr. b (Jeff Bowlsby) knows every...   Jun 2 2024, 04:34 PM
wonkipop   i might add @technicalninja there is very littl...   Jun 2 2024, 04:46 PM
wonkipop   @technicalninja - re first fuel injection made in...   Jun 2 2024, 05:00 PM
technicalninja   Two ways to measure load on an engine. Manifold va...   Jun 2 2024, 05:13 PM
wonkipop   Two ways to measure load on an engine. Manifold v...   Jun 2 2024, 05:43 PM
L-Jet914   [quote name='technicalninja' post='3148834' date=...   Jun 2 2024, 07:17 PM
wonkipop   @L-Jet914 yeah - in a similar vane (no pun intend...   Jun 3 2024, 12:47 AM
wonkipop   ps @technicalninja one of the cars that did hav...   Jun 2 2024, 05:58 PM
wonkipop   @technicalninja and anyone else vaguely interest...   Jun 3 2024, 04:31 AM
VaccaRabite   So L-jet was on VW buses and 412s starting in 1974...   Jun 3 2024, 06:53 AM
wonkipop   So L-jet was on VW buses and 412s starting in 197...   Jun 3 2024, 12:41 PM
mrholland2   So if this was the case: i suspect that no matte...   Jun 4 2024, 10:06 AM
wonkipop   So if this was the case: i suspect that no matt...   Jun 4 2024, 04:37 PM
wonkipop   So if this was the case: i suspect that no matt...   Jun 4 2024, 11:09 PM
L-Jet914   So if this was the case: i suspect that no mat...   Jun 6 2024, 01:06 AM
wonkipop   [quote name='mrholland2' post='3149086' date='Ju...   Jun 6 2024, 03:39 PM
L-Jet914   [quote name='wonkipop' post='3149230' date='Jun ...   Jun 6 2024, 06:25 PM
brant   your logic makes sense... but I would guess the st...   Jun 4 2024, 10:35 AM
JeffBowlsby   Djet is bank fire. 2 banks. For the 914, it’s ...   Jun 4 2024, 01:20 PM
wonkipop   Djet is bank fire. 2 banks. For the 914, it’s...   Jun 4 2024, 04:00 PM
technicalninja   All the L-jet I am familiar with is batch in the s...   Jun 4 2024, 01:38 PM
ClayPerrine   All the L-jet I am familiar with is batch in the ...   Jun 4 2024, 01:54 PM
brant   By now All the forms have changed likely Ha…. ...   Jun 4 2024, 08:52 PM
wonkipop   By now All the forms have changed likely Ha…. ...   Jun 4 2024, 09:50 PM
technicalninja   Here's the REAL kicker... High end aftermarke...   Jun 4 2024, 09:08 PM
JeffBowlsby   All things considered how is direct injection bene...   Jun 4 2024, 09:58 PM
wonkipop   All things considered how is direct injection ben...   Jun 4 2024, 10:04 PM
technicalninja   All things considered how is direct injection ben...   Jun 4 2024, 10:28 PM
technicalninja   Now, I wouldn't try to add it to an engine tha...   Jun 4 2024, 10:54 PM
wonkipop   here is another twist on it that happens when you ...   Jun 4 2024, 11:29 PM
technicalninja   One final note on DI reliability... A good friend...   Jun 4 2024, 11:30 PM
wonkipop   @L-Jet914 yeah thats the grey area then the depa...   Jun 6 2024, 10:01 PM
wonkipop   here is the emission specs on the two different 76...   Jun 6 2024, 10:58 PM
StarBear   CD capacitive discharge - could that be the ignito...   Jun 7 2024, 07:04 AM
technicalninja   Those are resistors, not capacitors. Capacitors a...   Jun 7 2024, 07:34 AM
wonkipop   Those are resistors, not capacitors. Capacitors ...   Jun 7 2024, 04:30 PM
technicalninja   The early use of CDI ignition was single strike (m...   Jun 7 2024, 09:46 AM


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