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> 2.0 Head Gasket delete?
torakki
post Jun 15 2024, 11:10 AM
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I've read where it's a good idea to remove the head gaskets and re-assemble without them. Something about, they crush and cause an issue. Is there anything else you need to do or change, in their place? Like a different head design?
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post Jun 15 2024, 02:16 PM
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Ok... I am going to climb up on my soapbox here....

The VW bulletin everyone seems to refer to relating to this does NOT apply to 914 engines. Here is the link to it: https://ratwell.com/mirror/www.dolphinsci.com/techbull.html

"Subject: VWC Remanufactured 2.0l Air-Cooled Engine Group: 10"

"Models(s): Type II/Vanagon 1975 - 83 MY Date: May 31, 1990"

"Engines, P/N 071 100 031AX, 039 100 031 B/C/DX, have been modified to improve heat transfer an increase durability. These changes effect Engine codes: GD, GE, CV." (emphasis mine).

None of those were delivered or factory installed in a 914. And this bulletin is for a Factory Reman engine, not something put together in a garage behind a house in Bakersfield.

Also, in regard to lapping in the jugs to the cylinder head. How can you be sure your deck height on both cylinders on that side of the motor are the exact same height? Can you measure, with repeatable accuracy, to .0001 tolerance? Nobody with a home garage can do that! It takes very expensive machine shop tools and a surface table to do it. And the cases, the jugs and everything have to be spotlessly clean.

And how do you insure that the flycut heads are cut to the exact same depth? I have received heads from the machine shop with the spigots close to .05 difference between the two sides.

Production machine shops are not Raby's shop. They do the absolute minimum, and pay the machinist crap. So they only do what they have to do. Stuff like making the spigots the exact same depth to a tolerance of .0001 is not in their world. One sneeze and you have enough of a difference to have a loose jug if you don't use the head gaskets.

Hand lapping a jug into a head is questionable at best. How can you be sure to get the jug in straight? Are you applying equal pressure on the jug? Did you lap both spigots to the same depth? When you put it together, did you mix up the jugs and get them in the wrong hole?

That is way too many variables for me.

The head gaskets are designed for use in engines that have been, shall we say, less than accurate machine work. If you want to spend the money investing in the proper tooling, and the time to learn how to use it, and the time to do it like the factory did when they did a reman engine, then yes, eliminate the head gasket.

Otherwise leave it in. The difference in compression is minimal. The failure due to a loose jug can be catastrophic.


Getting off my soap box now.

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torakki   2.0 Head Gasket delete?   Jun 15 2024, 11:10 AM
914Sixer   If you leave them out, lap your barrels in.   Jun 15 2024, 11:37 AM
rick 918-S   Just be sure the head mating surfaces are true and...   Jun 15 2024, 11:38 AM
technicalninja   Check deck height! The upper surface of the p...   Jun 15 2024, 12:18 PM
ClayPerrine   Ok... I am going to climb up on my soapbox here......   Jun 15 2024, 02:16 PM
930cabman   I built my 2056 a couple years ago (still running ...   Jun 15 2024, 02:52 PM
ClayPerrine   I do recall reading the factory recommended to e...   Jun 15 2024, 03:21 PM
930cabman   I do recall reading the factory recommended to ...   Jun 15 2024, 04:15 PM
rick 918-S   Since Clay responded I need to clarify my post. St...   Jun 15 2024, 03:11 PM
technicalninja   Ok... I am going to climb up on my soapbox here.....   Jun 15 2024, 03:18 PM
ClayPerrine   P.S. [b]@[url=http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index...   Jun 15 2024, 03:25 PM
emerygt350   I kept them out of my 2056 build. I ended up only...   Jun 15 2024, 03:19 PM
torakki   OK, way more responses than I thought and way more...   Jun 16 2024, 02:12 PM
930cabman   OK, way more responses than I thought and way mor...   Jun 16 2024, 05:27 PM
emerygt350   Is it still injected? D-jet? I would be looking t...   Jun 16 2024, 02:48 PM
914werke   All it took for me was one engine tear down exposi...   Jun 16 2024, 03:49 PM
ClayPerrine   (& blessed by the manufacture) I still ...   Jun 16 2024, 08:41 PM
r_towle   I don’t believe a leak at the head/cylinder woul...   Jun 16 2024, 04:36 PM
r_towle   This site may help if diagnosing djet https://mem...   Jun 16 2024, 04:38 PM
emerygt350   I don't think the two are associated (I don...   Jun 16 2024, 05:47 PM
914Sixer   I used the gasket on my 2056.   Jun 16 2024, 07:08 PM
emerygt350   I've read where it's a good idea to remov...   Jun 17 2024, 05:36 AM
ClayPerrine   [quote name='torakki' post='3151083' date='Jun 15...   Jun 17 2024, 09:05 AM
emerygt350   Dbl post   Jun 17 2024, 05:37 AM
914werke   [quote name='emerygt350' post='3151350' date='Jun...   Jun 17 2024, 11:04 AM
914werke   (& blessed by the manufacture) I still wan...   Jun 17 2024, 11:12 AM
ClayPerrine   Look. . this is real simple. Do what you want wi...   Jun 17 2024, 11:34 AM
Nogoodwithusernames   Pardon my lack of knowledge in this area, but what...   Jun 17 2024, 11:52 AM
mmichalik   :popcorn:   Jun 17 2024, 12:35 PM
930cabman   Possible/probable the folks at Porsche never had a...   Jun 17 2024, 01:39 PM
thomasotten   Not wanting to enter a debate that clearly needs a...   Jun 17 2024, 06:39 PM
Al Meredith   I stayed up last night reading a bunch of articles...   Jun 18 2024, 10:57 AM
914werke   BTW #5 should be performed on ALL T4 builds (usin...   Jun 18 2024, 12:11 PM
930cabman   BTW #5 should be performed on ALL T4 builds (usi...   Jun 18 2024, 12:17 PM
914werke   correct. Poor mans oil squirter!   Jun 18 2024, 12:18 PM


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