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> Djet running way too rich... Still!
Halfnelson
post Jun 20 2024, 03:33 AM
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Had a previous thread starting in 2022 about my 73 1.7 standard D-Jet running way too rich and flooding to the point where it wouldn't start. It's been an ongoing issue. I've had a go. 2 garages have had a go. I'm at the point where I'm beginning to lose hope.

A recap. Bought the car 2021, had a problem with intermittent flooding. So far have:
Checked MPS - holding vacuum.
Replaced CHT sensor and tested. Working when flooded.
Replaced fuel pump and tested pressure.
Replaced all vacuum hoses and tested for leaks.
Valves set and rechecked.
New 123 distributor.
New injectors.

Each time I think I've cracked it and it runs and drives - sometimes for a month or so. Then I'll go to start it and it'll flood again to the point where it contaminates the oil. I feel like I've never managed to get to the bottom of the problem. Just keep replacing parts. Thinking maybe a return line that intermittently blocks? I'm kind of at a loss.
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post Jun 20 2024, 11:55 AM
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It sounds a lot like you're having ignition and spark issues. I chased a lot of issues before I realized I had a spark plug wire issue that would intermittently cause misses.... and my car would run very rich. Chasing down problems and checking plugs etc.... I would move the suspect wire... and then it would run fine... for a while. Sometimes if you're lucky... it's the simple things.

Another issue I had earlier... was the seating of the 123 Distributor. The my unit came with a spacer ring... which I added... and I found that to be a problem. Once I removed it... it seats better and is really locked in place.

Also... with the 123 Distributor.... make sure the two wires that are connected to 914 harness are making solid connections.

What are your plugs gapped to? Too small/big and you can have misfire issues... The 123 with the right coil should give you a healthy fat spark. Do you replace your plugs after a rich running cycle? They could be fouling over and over... and slight misfires will appear as rich.

Is your coil good? Do you have the correct one for the 123 distributor?

Another issue could be the Throttle position sensor. It underneath the throttle valve. There is an adjustment procedure that needs to be right. If the adjustment screws are not holding it firmly in place.... you can get weird issues. This can be replaced too.... at the very least make sure your injector harness is solidly connected to the TPS.

Do you have a fuel pressure gauge installed in the engine bay? I would recommend it and make sure you have a consistent rate of fuel. Easy install and worth knowing where your pressure is at.

The MPS rebuild could be your issue... I did mine... but in my opinion....you're are moving into a complex area with this... and the tuning afterwards can be complicated and is really best done with a Wideband O2 sensor installed in your exhaust and an Air Fuel Ratio Gauge that is wired to a dash gauge for monitoring. I would make sure everything else is working right first before I jumped into this.

Check and recheck all the easy stuff with your Ignition system. Your clearly getting fuel.
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Halfnelson   Djet running way too rich... Still!   Jun 20 2024, 03:33 AM
emerygt350   Have you removed the cold start valve from the equ...   Jun 20 2024, 04:20 AM
Halfnelson   Have you removed the cold start valve from the eq...   Jun 20 2024, 04:51 AM
JeffBowlsby   The MPS holding vacuum is not a definitive test. ...   Jun 20 2024, 06:01 AM
Halfnelson   The MPS holding vacuum is not a definitive test. ...   Jun 20 2024, 06:31 AM
Halfnelson   The MPS holding vacuum is not a definitive test....   Jun 20 2024, 06:33 AM
JeffBowlsby   Also would that present as an intermittent issue...   Jun 20 2024, 07:11 AM
Halfnelson   Also would that present as an intermittent issu...   Jun 20 2024, 07:19 AM
JeffBowlsby   The MPS holding vacuum is not a definitive test....   Jun 20 2024, 07:10 AM
emerygt350   It could. Just depends on how it is cracked. I k...   Jun 20 2024, 06:40 AM
emerygt350   If you get the rebuild kit from Chris it is super ...   Jun 20 2024, 08:35 AM
StarBear   If you get the rebuild kit from Chris it is super...   Jun 20 2024, 09:16 AM
emerygt350   I wonder about the ECU... They rarely go but perh...   Jun 20 2024, 08:37 AM
rjames   I wonder about the ECU... They rarely go but per...   Jun 20 2024, 09:10 AM
rjames   double post   Jun 20 2024, 09:10 AM
emerygt350   I have a known working extra 037 from my 73 2.0. ...   Jun 20 2024, 09:15 AM
FlacaProductions   What MPS do you currently have? I believe a 73 1....   Jun 20 2024, 09:34 AM
914_teener   What MPS do you currently have? I believe a 73 1...   Jun 20 2024, 11:02 AM
emerygt350   What MPS do you currently have? I believe a 73 ...   Jun 20 2024, 03:06 PM
JamesM   [quote name='914_teener' post='3152016' date='Jun...   Jun 20 2024, 04:18 PM
Ishley   It sounds a lot like you're having ignition a...   Jun 20 2024, 11:55 AM
FlacaProductions   Agreed on MPS tuning - that's a whole differen...   Jun 20 2024, 12:47 PM
emerygt350   My point was, he could borrow my ECU.   Jun 20 2024, 04:26 PM
JamesM   My point was, he could borrow my ECU. If you wa...   Jun 20 2024, 09:45 PM
914_teener   I'm with Jeff. This is a common failure mode o...   Jun 20 2024, 10:01 PM
rjames   The ECU is the easiest thing to test first. Move t...   Jun 20 2024, 11:09 PM
emerygt350   The intermittent cht is an interesting idea but it...   Jun 21 2024, 05:14 AM
ClayPerrine   For years the rule of thumb was "The ECU neve...   Jun 21 2024, 05:28 AM
JeffBowlsby   While the idea of swapping in 'known good...   Jun 21 2024, 05:32 AM
ClayPerrine   While the idea of swapping in 'known good...   Jun 21 2024, 07:19 AM
emerygt350   If cost is no issue, definitely send it out for te...   Jun 21 2024, 06:31 AM
emerygt350   Just a quick mention on the TPS, although I really...   Jun 21 2024, 06:33 AM
dr914@autoatlanta.com   substitution is your friend. That is what we do he...   Jun 21 2024, 08:22 AM
Halfnelson   Thanks so much for the suggestions. I’ve been th...   Jun 22 2024, 04:27 AM
Halfnelson   I’m not sure if this is relevant but when it doe...   Jun 22 2024, 04:32 AM
ClayPerrine   I’m not sure if this is relevant but when it do...   Jun 22 2024, 04:39 AM
emerygt350   Ahh, Cornwall, just noticed that. Can you descr...   Jun 22 2024, 04:53 AM
Halfnelson   Although the cht has been changed and I’ve teste...   Jun 22 2024, 05:13 AM
ClayPerrine   Although the cht has been changed and I’ve test...   Jun 22 2024, 06:27 AM
technicalninja   What he's describing appears to be fuel foulin...   Jun 22 2024, 03:47 PM
technicalninja   Made me think... An ECU that did short the inject...   Jun 22 2024, 03:59 PM
emerygt350   Pressure Regulator on these is static. The wet pl...   Jun 22 2024, 04:03 PM
Halfnelson   Do you recommend pulling a plug, checking, and the...   Jun 23 2024, 05:08 AM
emerygt350   Yeah, check first and then after if it doesn't...   Jun 23 2024, 06:01 AM


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