Rear brake torque arm? Options

[technicalninja]

I have not seen mention of one of the 914s rear brake engineering issues yet.

This regards locating a brake caliper on a swing arm.

During braking the forces acting on the swing arm try to move it UP away from the ground.

This is more pronounced with a dual rear swing arm design like the GMC class A motorhome from the 70s (I have one).

In the GMCs case the rear control arm is similar to a 914 but the front arm faces forward.

In a full-on panic stop the front arms torque DOWNWARD and the rear arms torque UPWARDS. The forward wheels try to lift the coach up and the rear arms lift the back wheels off the ground. This equals stupid bad rear brake action.

This vid shows what happens in the case of the GMC but it doesn't mention the front arms forcing the coach up which is the main issue with these.

https://www.gmcrvparts.com/product-p/apk5-.htm

This is also an issue for motorcycles. Here's a too long vid on fitting a rear torque arm to a Hayabusa.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hTC-Zk5k6NY

The gist of the mod is to mount your caliper on a rotating plate and then secure the plate to the chassis with a brake torque bar. The stopping force is applied to the chassis, not the swing arm.

Don't believe me?

Put you 914 in the air and spin the rear wheels up to 30mph, have a helper nail the brakes and watch what happens to the rear suspension. It will JUMP UP bigtime!

I've seen these on mountain bikes (human powered).

I'm toying with an inboard caliper mounted on the transmission to alleviate this issue.

Anyone else have ideas, comments.


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[technicalninja]

Inboard brakes are suicide devices.

Investigate why they aren’t used on other than a few vintage / specialty vehicles. The answer is not cost. See F1.

@Superhawk996 please expand on "suicide devices".

I REALLY would like your insight!

I've thought of a "deal breaker" already.

The output flanges on the tranny are NOT designed for side loading.

The output stubs on a Jag rear end (with inboard disc) are more like wheel bearings than normal differential output flanges. They have a pair of bearings on each side.

Run-out is going to be a bitch and I believe the current bolts are going to loosen up regardless of anything I do.

The there is the HEAT that is going to be applied to the output flanges.
That might prove problematic...

What I would like to know is what OTHER "gotchas" you can come up with.

I'm NOT trying to argue here!

I want to "Vulcan Mind Meld" you...

In regard to the Jag trash. If you've EVER had to do rear brakes OR an alignment on a Jag rear set up you will learn to HATE the Jag shit.

I have...

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