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> Wheel Alignment, Is this excessive camber?
fiacra
post Jul 5 2024, 08:23 AM
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1975 1.8 fully stock California car. I just put in turbo tie rods as well as a new trailing arm bushing, so alignment was needed. Not easy to find shops that do alignment on these cars, but a local member recommended a racing shop about 30 miles away and I took it there. They asked if I wanted it aligned for "street driving" and I confirmed that was the case. Let me emphasize that this is a stock California car in well maintained condition (a previous owner had it for 44 years and really took care of it) and I'm a really mild street driver. It is rare I'll use every one of the 76hp this can put out (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) . Street driving only, no AX, no racing. It drove fine getting to the shop, no pulling, no vibration, etc. They told me it drove "much better" after alignment, and that the alignment was way off, especially in the rear. I couldn't tell any difference in how it drove pre and post alignment, but remember I drive for fun and I'm not by any means an aggressive driver. I brought a bunch of 914Rubber sourced shims with me, but they needed none of them and in fact returned to me a bunch of shims that were already on the car. I didn't notice it at the time I got the car back, but the next day I could see the rear wheel stance was significantly different, with (in my opinion) a lot of camber. Prior to the alignment it had maybe 1-2 degrees of camber. Again, I can't tell any difference in how the car drives, but maybe I could if I really pushed it? My question is, is this correct? I've really not seen this amount of camber on other members cars. Also, I kind of hate the rear tires leaning inward look. Not sure if I should take it back and ask for this to be "corrected." Other options are to live with it, or take it to another shop. Any thoughts? Is this amount of camber correct?

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post Jul 6 2024, 09:00 PM
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Roger Kraus Racing is/was the go to local shop for P-car alignments. I took a couple of cars there for 4-wheel alignments in the past, their work was excellent. I think I heard the biz changed ownership a few years ago and who knows the caliber of the techs now.

Maybe consider taking the alignment specs to them and see if they will honorably redo their work to comply. I am sure they charge a premium.
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post Jul 6 2024, 09:34 PM
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QUOTE(JeffBowlsby @ Jul 6 2024, 08:00 PM) *

Roger Kraus Racing is/was the go to local shop for P-car alignments. I took a couple of cars there for 4-wheel alignments in the past, their work was excellent. I think I heard the biz changed ownership a few years ago and who knows the caliber of the techs now.

Maybe consider taking the alignment specs to them and see if they will honorably redo their work to comply. I am sure they charge a premium.


Thanks Jeff. I value your opinion regarding the shop. Still the same owners. Roger was there, and his son Brandon was who I dealt with and who did the work. I will give them a call on Monday and see about going back with the car. Brandon did explain that he could not get the front end into spec. He had the left strut moved as far as he could. He suggested I could investigate getting a slotted plate (?) for the strut to allow more movement and then come back. He wasn't sure such a thing existed. He thought maybe the front end had been hit, but I have nothing in my records and I see nothing on the car to indicate accident damage. I know there was a lot of variability in how these cars left the factory, so that may be it. After a discussion with more technical jargon than I could follow the bottom line was he felt it was fine if I wanted to leave it as is, but I should watch for tire wear or any change in handling. I do feel the car drives fine. It doesn't pull, it tracks nicely, etc.

I printed out the specs from the Porsche Workshop manual. I assume these are what I should bring with me. We all know how much shops love it when you show up and explain to them how to do their work......

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fiacra   Wheel Alignment   Jul 5 2024, 08:23 AM
Superhawk996   What the alignment sheet say they set it to? The ...   Jul 5 2024, 08:25 AM
fiacra   What the alignment sheet say they set it to? By ...   Jul 5 2024, 08:28 AM
Superhawk996   Doh - accidental post   Jul 6 2024, 10:49 AM
technicalninja   I'm gonna guess -2 degrees+ Be fine for an au...   Jul 5 2024, 08:38 AM
Superhawk996   To my eye it looks like more than negative two deg...   Jul 5 2024, 09:20 AM
SirAndy   My bet is the jokers pulled all the shims and are ...   Jul 5 2024, 09:26 AM
JamesM   My bet is the jokers pulled all the shims and are...   Jul 5 2024, 01:10 PM
mgp4591   [quote name='SirAndy' post='3154842' date='Jul 5 ...   Jul 6 2024, 11:52 PM
Montreal914   Car seems lowered although difficult to say. Lowe...   Jul 5 2024, 09:45 AM
burton73   This is a picture of your car when I sold it to yo...   Jul 5 2024, 11:12 AM
rhodyguy   What does the side view look like? Does the car si...   Jul 5 2024, 07:07 PM
914_teener   Ok....I've done 914 rear ends before. I know t...   Jul 5 2024, 07:30 PM
fiacra   Ok....I've done 914 rear ends before. I know ...   Jul 5 2024, 09:03 PM
914_teener   [quote name='914_teener' post='3154949' date='Jul...   Jul 6 2024, 06:20 PM
worn   [quotey easy to do. Good luck...but still my adv...   Jul 6 2024, 07:36 PM
Superhawk996   I suppose that learning to do it yourself will ...   Jul 6 2024, 08:30 PM
bkrantz   It looks low (which adds negative camber) and impr...   Jul 5 2024, 08:16 PM
dr914@autoatlanta.com   30 minutes neg camber only, if too many shims alre...   Jul 6 2024, 09:15 AM
jim_hoyland   Yup, great car. Saw it at C&C at Crystal Cove ...   Jul 6 2024, 10:50 AM
fiacra   OK, here's the sheet from the shop:   Jul 6 2024, 03:03 PM
Superhawk996   OK, here's the sheet from the shop: Gotta ...   Jul 6 2024, 06:03 PM
bkrantz   Those numbers seem all over the place. As for fro...   Jul 6 2024, 08:59 PM
JeffBowlsby   Roger Kraus Racing is/was the go to local shop for...   Jul 6 2024, 09:00 PM
SirAndy   Roger Kraus Racing is/was the go to local shop fo...   Jul 6 2024, 09:05 PM
fiacra   Roger Kraus Racing is/was the go to local shop fo...   Jul 6 2024, 09:34 PM
Superhawk996   I assume these are what I should bring with me. ...   Jul 7 2024, 01:24 AM
bkrantz   Roger Kraus Racing is/was the go to local shop f...   Jul 7 2024, 08:58 PM
technicalninja   OK, here's the sheet from the shop: @[url...   Jul 7 2024, 07:52 AM
Superhawk996   I don't believe ANY of the numbers on that ...   Jul 7 2024, 07:59 AM
fiacra   I don't believe ANY of the numbers on that...   Jul 7 2024, 08:12 AM
fiacra   The pictures are deceptive, if you think they show...   Jul 7 2024, 08:08 AM
technicalninja   3/4" of toe in will DESTROY a set of front ti...   Jul 7 2024, 08:11 AM
tygaboy   @fiacra Broheen - I have a buddy who is all about...   Jul 7 2024, 08:45 AM
technicalninja   [b]@[url=http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?s...   Jul 7 2024, 08:55 AM
jim_hoyland   Two things I’ve learned over the years: 1. If it...   Jul 8 2024, 10:31 AM
Craigers17   This is Excessive negative camber:   Jul 8 2024, 10:53 AM
worn   This is Excessive negative camber: More cowbel...   Jul 9 2024, 07:07 PM
MartyYeoman   Sorry to hear you're having such a difficult t...   Jul 9 2024, 09:01 AM
fiacra   Sorry to hear you're having such a difficult ...   Jul 9 2024, 09:59 AM
technicalninja   This is Excessive negative camber: I've al...   Jul 9 2024, 08:44 PM
MartyYeoman   Sorry it took so long to post this.   Jul 20 2024, 12:11 PM
914_teener   Sorry it took so long to post this. Back of th...   Jul 20 2024, 02:22 PM
windforfun   Sorry it took so long to post this. Back of t...   Jul 20 2024, 03:18 PM
fiacra   Sorry it took so long to post this. Thanks Mar...   Jul 20 2024, 02:37 PM
bkrantz   Sorry it took so long to post this. Thanks Ma...   Jul 20 2024, 08:09 PM
Superhawk996   Probably a good decision. And I will always star...   Jul 21 2024, 11:32 AM
technicalninja   Changing the shim will alter the toe setting and t...   Jul 20 2024, 02:54 PM
fiacra   Changing the shim will alter the toe setting and ...   Jul 20 2024, 06:31 PM
Superhawk996   I’m so confused. So the expert is advising you...   Jul 21 2024, 11:28 AM
technicalninja   The post stating -5.7 degrees was SATIRE! 914...   Jul 21 2024, 12:29 PM
bkrantz   The post stating -5.7 degrees was SATIRE! 91...   Jul 21 2024, 07:11 PM


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