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> Is this the dreaded 914 vapor lock?, Asking for your ideas and thoughts
Artfrombama
post Jul 14 2024, 05:04 PM
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Drove my 914 to a PCA function yesterday morning, 93f and humid.
After driving on the interstate at 70-75mph for around 45 miles I exited and the motor died. I had enough momentum and coasted into a gas station/convenience store where I topped off the tank and tried to restart the car, no luck. The car would fire, run a few seconds and die then refused to re-start for another 10-15 minutes then the same scenario again. No tools to diagnose or repair.
While waiting on AAA for three hours (another story) I would occasionally try to start the car with the same results.

Today, car started normally, runs normally.

1974 L-jet, original three bung fuel pump, original location.
500 miles on new tank, sock, filter, ss lines.
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emerygt350
post Jul 14 2024, 06:18 PM
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Yep, sounds like vapor lock to me. I have mine all in the original locations and wrapped it in high quality heat wrap. Haven't had a problem since. I can tell it still thins out when I park it on a day like you describe but it starts up and goes fine after 5 seconds of pushing new fuel. Before the heat wrap there was nothing I could do but wait.

I was racing today on black tarmac 90 degrees, started up all day under extreme conditions.

Is it design engineering? I can't remember but everyone uses it.
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post Jul 14 2024, 07:20 PM
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QUOTE(emerygt350 @ Jul 14 2024, 07:18 PM) *

Yep, sounds like vapor lock to me. I have mine all in the original locations and wrapped it in high quality heat wrap. Haven't had a problem since. I can tell it still thins out when I park it on a day like you describe but it starts up and goes fine after 5 seconds of pushing new fuel. Before the heat wrap there was nothing I could do but wait.

I was racing today on black tarmac 90 degrees, started up all day under extreme conditions.

Is it design engineering? I can't remember but everyone uses it.
@emerygt350 thanks for responding
Vapor lock came to mind right off the bat but after an hour or so of not starting I started to suspect other things.
As I mentioned, today runs normally.
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post Jul 14 2024, 07:51 PM
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QUOTE(Artfrombama @ Jul 14 2024, 07:20 PM) *

QUOTE(emerygt350 @ Jul 14 2024, 07:18 PM) *

Yep, sounds like vapor lock to me. I have mine all in the original locations and wrapped it in high quality heat wrap. Haven't had a problem since. I can tell it still thins out when I park it on a day like you describe but it starts up and goes fine after 5 seconds of pushing new fuel. Before the heat wrap there was nothing I could do but wait.

I was racing today on black tarmac 90 degrees, started up all day under extreme conditions.

Is it design engineering? I can't remember but everyone uses it.
@emerygt350 thanks for responding
Vapor lock came to mind right off the bat but after an hour or so of not starting I started to suspect other things.
As I mentioned, today runs normally.


interesting that it shut down as you exited.
not quite the usual vapor lock syndrome. that tends to happen after you stop and leave it for a bit. (i have always believed more than anything that is due to radiation from the magnesium fan shrouding. its a heat sink for all the engine heat due to metal heat flow conduction from aluminium case and iron cylinders etc).

it could be that your fuel line is collapsing somewhere along its length. possibly in the loop under the fuel tank or even in the looping into the fuel pump. coming off throttle at cruise. trying to think what the pump is doing. fuel pressure would back off and be sent through the return line via the fuel pressure regulator and return to the tank. this can upset the draw perhaps on the fuel pump. i'd say its something like that. as if the fuel supply line has collapsed. after a very long period of time the vacuum lock in the line releases and its all back to normal.
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Artfrombama   Is this the dreaded 914 vapor lock?   Jul 14 2024, 05:04 PM
emerygt350   Yep, sounds like vapor lock to me. I have mine al...   Jul 14 2024, 06:18 PM
Artfrombama   Yep, sounds like vapor lock to me. I have mine a...   Jul 14 2024, 07:20 PM
wonkipop   [quote name='emerygt350' post='3156717' date='Jul...   Jul 14 2024, 07:51 PM
GregAmy   With a recirculating fuel system...can a 914 **rea...   Jul 14 2024, 07:43 PM
wonkipop   With a recirculating fuel system...can a 914 **re...   Jul 14 2024, 07:59 PM
JamesM   With a recirculating fuel system...can a 914 **re...   Jul 16 2024, 12:11 AM
ClayPerrine   If it boils just in the fuel rail lines you can ...   Jul 16 2024, 08:23 AM
wonkipop   another factor in USA cars is the ethanol content ...   Jul 14 2024, 08:08 PM
bkrantz   Could the pump itself be causing at least part of ...   Jul 14 2024, 09:00 PM
wonkipop   Could the pump itself be causing at least part of...   Jul 14 2024, 09:53 PM
wonkipop   art this is what i have got on hot start, runs th...   Jul 14 2024, 10:01 PM
Artfrombama   @wonkipop , [b]@[url=http://www.914world.com/bbs2...   Jul 14 2024, 10:09 PM
Chris914n6   The 3-port recirculates fuel around the engine, in...   Jul 14 2024, 10:19 PM
wonkipop   The 3-port recirculates fuel around the engine, i...   Jul 14 2024, 11:04 PM
Chris914n6   The 3-port recirculates fuel around the engine, ...   Jul 15 2024, 12:48 PM
wonkipop   [quote name='wonkipop' post='3156755' date='Jul 1...   Jul 15 2024, 05:29 PM
Artfrombama   [quote name='wonkipop' post='3156755' date='Jul ...   Jul 15 2024, 06:34 PM
wonkipop   [quote name='wonkipop' post='3156901' date='Jul 1...   Jul 15 2024, 06:42 PM
wonkipop   another tip @artfrombama that came to mind - jus...   Jul 15 2024, 01:10 AM
emerygt350   I have found that as long as the fuel is vapor the...   Jul 15 2024, 04:56 AM
emerygt350   As a side note too, the original heat wrap was tha...   Jul 15 2024, 04:58 AM
ClayPerrine   Here is what I would do to diagnose it. Get a mec...   Jul 15 2024, 06:12 AM
bkrantz   Here is what I would do to diagnose it. Get a me...   Jul 15 2024, 07:45 PM
StarBear   Had recurring vapor lock in my 74 1.8 L-Jet in the...   Jul 15 2024, 06:53 AM
Superhawk996   There are a lot of assumptions built in to this th...   Jul 15 2024, 07:46 AM
Artfrombama   This is a head scratcher for sure! I was read...   Jul 15 2024, 07:48 AM
Superhawk996   This is a head scratcher for sure! I was rea...   Jul 15 2024, 07:58 AM
ClayPerrine   This is a head scratcher for sure! I was rea...   Jul 15 2024, 10:14 AM
Shivers   I had a leak develop under the fuel tank. Pulled t...   Jul 15 2024, 08:16 AM
Artfrombama   I had a leak develop under the fuel tank. Pulled ...   Aug 7 2024, 01:09 AM
wonkipop   [quote name='Shivers' post='3156816' date='Jul 15...   Aug 7 2024, 03:56 AM
Artfrombama   [quote name='Shivers' post='3156816' date='Jul 1...   Aug 7 2024, 02:16 PM
Superhawk996   On the 3 port pump the port labeled R isn’t flow...   Jul 15 2024, 01:51 PM
Superhawk996   Here is the cutaway of the 3 ports as well as the ...   Jul 15 2024, 02:07 PM
Artfrombama   Checked fuel pressure 23 psi regulated, regulator...   Jul 15 2024, 03:14 PM
wonkipop   Checked fuel pressure 23 psi regulated, regulato...   Jul 15 2024, 06:22 PM
wonkipop   so let me get this right with the test you did. yo...   Jul 15 2024, 07:15 PM
Artfrombama   so let me get this right with the test you did. y...   Jul 15 2024, 09:52 PM
wonkipop   [quote name='wonkipop' post='3156933' date='Jul 1...   Jul 15 2024, 10:53 PM
Artfrombama   [quote name='wonkipop' post='3156933' date='Jul ...   Jul 16 2024, 07:06 PM
wonkipop   [quote name='wonkipop' post='3156960' date='Jul 1...   Jul 16 2024, 07:44 PM
Artfrombama   Discovered the temp sensor in the RH head became d...   Jul 23 2024, 04:26 PM
wonkipop   Discovered the temp sensor in the RH head became ...   Jul 23 2024, 05:00 PM
emerygt350   Discovered the temp sensor in the RH head became...   Jul 23 2024, 05:50 PM
Artfrombama   [quote name='wonkipop' post='3158099' date='Jul 2...   Jul 23 2024, 06:03 PM
emerygt350   [quote name='wonkipop' post='3158099' date='Jul ...   Jul 23 2024, 06:57 PM
Artfrombama   [quote name='Artfrombama' post='3158110' date='Ju...   Jul 23 2024, 07:08 PM
ClayPerrine   Yes, a pair of Webers were starting to look good...   Jul 24 2024, 03:00 PM
wonkipop   Yes, a pair of Webers were starting to look good...   Jul 24 2024, 06:16 PM
Artfrombama   [quote name='ClayPerrine' post='3158232' date='Ju...   Jul 24 2024, 07:48 PM
JeffBowlsby   A pin-out diagram would be helpful in eliminatin...   Jul 25 2024, 07:23 AM
ClayPerrine   A pin-out diagram would be helpful in eliminatin...   Jul 25 2024, 10:04 AM
JeffBowlsby   The factory service bulletin to address fuel vapor...   Jul 24 2024, 06:00 PM
Superhawk996   The temp sensor in the head - TS2, commonly called...   Jul 24 2024, 09:54 PM
Artfrombama   The temp sensor in the head - TS2, commonly calle...   Jul 25 2024, 08:29 PM
wonkipop   CHT test for the L jet from factory manual. tricky...   Jul 24 2024, 11:42 PM
ClayPerrine   The L-Jet wiring is now more than 50 years old, an...   Jul 25 2024, 05:41 AM
wonkipop   @ArtfromBama ah yeah, thats probably right for t...   Jul 25 2024, 08:45 PM
Artfrombama   @[url=http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?show...   Jul 25 2024, 09:04 PM
JeffBowlsby   The original L-Jet dual cantilever spring (4 prong...   Jul 25 2024, 10:05 PM
StarBear   I love happy endings! :D   Aug 7 2024, 05:30 AM


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