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> Is this the dreaded 914 vapor lock?, Asking for your ideas and thoughts
Artfrombama
post Jul 14 2024, 05:04 PM
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Drove my 914 to a PCA function yesterday morning, 93f and humid.
After driving on the interstate at 70-75mph for around 45 miles I exited and the motor died. I had enough momentum and coasted into a gas station/convenience store where I topped off the tank and tried to restart the car, no luck. The car would fire, run a few seconds and die then refused to re-start for another 10-15 minutes then the same scenario again. No tools to diagnose or repair.
While waiting on AAA for three hours (another story) I would occasionally try to start the car with the same results.

Today, car started normally, runs normally.

1974 L-jet, original three bung fuel pump, original location.
500 miles on new tank, sock, filter, ss lines.
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Artfrombama
post Jul 23 2024, 04:26 PM
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Discovered the temp sensor in the RH head became disconnected.
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post Jul 23 2024, 05:00 PM
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QUOTE(Artfrombama @ Jul 23 2024, 04:26 PM) *

Discovered the temp sensor in the RH head became disconnected.


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by the way thats great you have reported back art.
if someone else gets into a similar problem they can tick that off their list of probable cause. good on you.
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post Jul 23 2024, 05:50 PM
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QUOTE(wonkipop @ Jul 23 2024, 05:00 PM) *

QUOTE(Artfrombama @ Jul 23 2024, 04:26 PM) *

Discovered the temp sensor in the RH head became disconnected.


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by the way thats great you have reported back art.
if someone else gets into a similar problem they can tick that off their list of probable cause. good on you.


And that was all it was?
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post Jul 23 2024, 06:03 PM
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QUOTE(emerygt350 @ Jul 23 2024, 06:50 PM) *

QUOTE(wonkipop @ Jul 23 2024, 05:00 PM) *

QUOTE(Artfrombama @ Jul 23 2024, 04:26 PM) *

Discovered the temp sensor in the RH head became disconnected.


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by the way thats great you have reported back art.
if someone else gets into a similar problem they can tick that off their list of probable cause. good on you.


And that was all it was?

Yes, no one to blame but myself.
Spade terminal inside a plastic sleeve. Difficult area to get to, difficult terminals to connect properly.
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post Jul 23 2024, 06:57 PM
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QUOTE(Artfrombama @ Jul 23 2024, 06:03 PM) *

QUOTE(emerygt350 @ Jul 23 2024, 06:50 PM) *

QUOTE(wonkipop @ Jul 23 2024, 05:00 PM) *

QUOTE(Artfrombama @ Jul 23 2024, 04:26 PM) *

Discovered the temp sensor in the RH head became disconnected.


(IMG:style_emoticons/default/beerchug.gif)

by the way thats great you have reported back art.
if someone else gets into a similar problem they can tick that off their list of probable cause. good on you.


And that was all it was?

Yes, no one to blame but myself.
Spade terminal inside a plastic sleeve. Difficult area to get to, difficult terminals to connect properly.


Well, thank goodness you found it.
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post Jul 23 2024, 07:08 PM
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QUOTE(emerygt350 @ Jul 23 2024, 07:57 PM) *

QUOTE(Artfrombama @ Jul 23 2024, 06:03 PM) *

QUOTE(emerygt350 @ Jul 23 2024, 06:50 PM) *

QUOTE(wonkipop @ Jul 23 2024, 05:00 PM) *

QUOTE(Artfrombama @ Jul 23 2024, 04:26 PM) *

Discovered the temp sensor in the RH head became disconnected.


(IMG:style_emoticons/default/beerchug.gif)

by the way thats great you have reported back art.
if someone else gets into a similar problem they can tick that off their list of probable cause. good on you.


And that was all it was?

Yes, no one to blame but myself.
Spade terminal inside a plastic sleeve. Difficult area to get to, difficult terminals to connect properly.


Well, thank goodness you found it.

Yes, a pair of Webers were starting to look good!
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post Jul 24 2024, 03:00 PM
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QUOTE(Artfrombama @ Jul 23 2024, 08:08 PM) *

Yes, a pair of Webers were starting to look good!


Please don't put webers on it. The stock injections is far better than webers, and modern EFI has them both beat hands down.

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post Jul 24 2024, 06:16 PM
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QUOTE(ClayPerrine @ Jul 24 2024, 03:00 PM) *

QUOTE(Artfrombama @ Jul 23 2024, 08:08 PM) *

Yes, a pair of Webers were starting to look good!


Please don't put webers on it. The stock injections is far better than webers, and modern EFI has them both beat hands down.


@ClayPerrine

art is still having problems with it.
got a PM. ran fine yesterday. so he buttoned it up after attending to temp sensor 2 plug.
but today problem is right back. fires then dies i believe. same problem.

art was asking for the full pin out test.
i know its not really there in the factory manual and i swear i have seen it posted here.
i cannot dig it up in my files. i have put it somewhere but now i cannot find it.

i sent him the link to the 912E L jet troubleshooting guide i had which jeff bowlsby has on his site.

he needs to test the EFI loom from AFM to ECU.

@JeffBowlsby
i don't believe art has a vapor lock problem.
its doing the same thing intermittently parked stone cold in his garage.
one day it runs. the next it doesn't. always the same symptom he had when it first popped up out on the highway. see his first post.

really feels like an intermittent electrical connection or component fault.

he has swapped out dual relays to test. etc.
he can give you the full list of things he has done.

its an interesting problem.
i figure clay perrine might have the insight to get to the bottom of it.

he has the link to the full set of factory manuals i sent to him.
so he can go back to fully testing his fuel system with both pressure and flow.
but i don't think its that.

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post Jul 24 2024, 07:48 PM
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QUOTE(wonkipop @ Jul 24 2024, 07:16 PM) *

QUOTE(ClayPerrine @ Jul 24 2024, 03:00 PM) *

QUOTE(Artfrombama @ Jul 23 2024, 08:08 PM) *

Yes, a pair of Webers were starting to look good!


Please don't put webers on it. The stock injections is far better than webers, and modern EFI has them both beat hands down.


@ClayPerrine

art is still having problems with it.
got a PM. ran fine yesterday. so he buttoned it up after attending to temp sensor 2 plug.
but today problem is right back. fires then dies i believe. same problem.

art was asking for the full pin out test.
i know its not really there in the factory manual and i swear i have seen it posted here.
i cannot dig it up in my files. i have put it somewhere but now i cannot find it.

i sent him the link to the 912E L jet troubleshooting guide i had which jeff bowlsby has on his site.

he needs to test the EFI loom from AFM to ECU.

@JeffBowlsby
i don't believe art has a vapor lock problem.
its doing the same thing intermittently parked stone cold in his garage.
one day it runs. the next it doesn't. always the same symptom he had when it first popped up out on the highway. see his first post.

really feels like an intermittent electrical connection or component fault.

he has swapped out dual relays to test. etc.
he can give you the full list of things he has done.

its an interesting problem.
i figure clay perrine might have the insight to get to the bottom of it.

he has the link to the full set of factory manuals i sent to him.
so he can go back to fully testing his fuel system with both pressure and flow.
but i don't think its that.

Non not a vapor lock problem, I thought the fuel pump was the problem because I was getting erratic fuel pressures. I have replaced the original (rebuilt) fuel pump with a replacement from the jungle site, replaced the fuel pressure regulator.
Occasionally I can hit the key and the car will start normally and idle great for a few seconds but most of the time the motor will crank, crank, crank and occasionally “hit”.

Even though the units are quite robust I’m starting to suspect the ECM.

Things I have checked;
Super white hot spark, plugs firing normally
Tried another (new) dual relay
Thermal switch II (In RS head)=14K ohms
12V power to injectors=yes
Good grounds=yes
Pulse from -coil to pin 1 on ECM-yes
Fuel pressure=yes
Fuel pump runs from AFM

A pin-out diagram would be helpful in eliminating broken wiring.




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Artfrombama   Is this the dreaded 914 vapor lock?   Jul 14 2024, 05:04 PM
emerygt350   Yep, sounds like vapor lock to me. I have mine al...   Jul 14 2024, 06:18 PM
Artfrombama   Yep, sounds like vapor lock to me. I have mine a...   Jul 14 2024, 07:20 PM
wonkipop   [quote name='emerygt350' post='3156717' date='Jul...   Jul 14 2024, 07:51 PM
GregAmy   With a recirculating fuel system...can a 914 **rea...   Jul 14 2024, 07:43 PM
wonkipop   With a recirculating fuel system...can a 914 **re...   Jul 14 2024, 07:59 PM
JamesM   With a recirculating fuel system...can a 914 **re...   Jul 16 2024, 12:11 AM
ClayPerrine   If it boils just in the fuel rail lines you can ...   Jul 16 2024, 08:23 AM
wonkipop   another factor in USA cars is the ethanol content ...   Jul 14 2024, 08:08 PM
bkrantz   Could the pump itself be causing at least part of ...   Jul 14 2024, 09:00 PM
wonkipop   Could the pump itself be causing at least part of...   Jul 14 2024, 09:53 PM
wonkipop   art this is what i have got on hot start, runs th...   Jul 14 2024, 10:01 PM
Artfrombama   @wonkipop , [b]@[url=http://www.914world.com/bbs2...   Jul 14 2024, 10:09 PM
Chris914n6   The 3-port recirculates fuel around the engine, in...   Jul 14 2024, 10:19 PM
wonkipop   The 3-port recirculates fuel around the engine, i...   Jul 14 2024, 11:04 PM
Chris914n6   The 3-port recirculates fuel around the engine, ...   Jul 15 2024, 12:48 PM
wonkipop   [quote name='wonkipop' post='3156755' date='Jul 1...   Jul 15 2024, 05:29 PM
Artfrombama   [quote name='wonkipop' post='3156755' date='Jul ...   Jul 15 2024, 06:34 PM
wonkipop   [quote name='wonkipop' post='3156901' date='Jul 1...   Jul 15 2024, 06:42 PM
wonkipop   another tip @artfrombama that came to mind - jus...   Jul 15 2024, 01:10 AM
emerygt350   I have found that as long as the fuel is vapor the...   Jul 15 2024, 04:56 AM
emerygt350   As a side note too, the original heat wrap was tha...   Jul 15 2024, 04:58 AM
ClayPerrine   Here is what I would do to diagnose it. Get a mec...   Jul 15 2024, 06:12 AM
bkrantz   Here is what I would do to diagnose it. Get a me...   Jul 15 2024, 07:45 PM
StarBear   Had recurring vapor lock in my 74 1.8 L-Jet in the...   Jul 15 2024, 06:53 AM
Superhawk996   There are a lot of assumptions built in to this th...   Jul 15 2024, 07:46 AM
Artfrombama   This is a head scratcher for sure! I was read...   Jul 15 2024, 07:48 AM
Superhawk996   This is a head scratcher for sure! I was rea...   Jul 15 2024, 07:58 AM
ClayPerrine   This is a head scratcher for sure! I was rea...   Jul 15 2024, 10:14 AM
Shivers   I had a leak develop under the fuel tank. Pulled t...   Jul 15 2024, 08:16 AM
Artfrombama   I had a leak develop under the fuel tank. Pulled ...   Aug 7 2024, 01:09 AM
wonkipop   [quote name='Shivers' post='3156816' date='Jul 15...   Aug 7 2024, 03:56 AM
Artfrombama   [quote name='Shivers' post='3156816' date='Jul 1...   Aug 7 2024, 02:16 PM
Superhawk996   On the 3 port pump the port labeled R isn’t flow...   Jul 15 2024, 01:51 PM
Superhawk996   Here is the cutaway of the 3 ports as well as the ...   Jul 15 2024, 02:07 PM
Artfrombama   Checked fuel pressure 23 psi regulated, regulator...   Jul 15 2024, 03:14 PM
wonkipop   Checked fuel pressure 23 psi regulated, regulato...   Jul 15 2024, 06:22 PM
wonkipop   so let me get this right with the test you did. yo...   Jul 15 2024, 07:15 PM
Artfrombama   so let me get this right with the test you did. y...   Jul 15 2024, 09:52 PM
wonkipop   [quote name='wonkipop' post='3156933' date='Jul 1...   Jul 15 2024, 10:53 PM
Artfrombama   [quote name='wonkipop' post='3156933' date='Jul ...   Jul 16 2024, 07:06 PM
wonkipop   [quote name='wonkipop' post='3156960' date='Jul 1...   Jul 16 2024, 07:44 PM
Artfrombama   Discovered the temp sensor in the RH head became d...   Jul 23 2024, 04:26 PM
wonkipop   Discovered the temp sensor in the RH head became ...   Jul 23 2024, 05:00 PM
emerygt350   Discovered the temp sensor in the RH head became...   Jul 23 2024, 05:50 PM
Artfrombama   [quote name='wonkipop' post='3158099' date='Jul 2...   Jul 23 2024, 06:03 PM
emerygt350   [quote name='wonkipop' post='3158099' date='Jul ...   Jul 23 2024, 06:57 PM
Artfrombama   [quote name='Artfrombama' post='3158110' date='Ju...   Jul 23 2024, 07:08 PM
ClayPerrine   Yes, a pair of Webers were starting to look good...   Jul 24 2024, 03:00 PM
wonkipop   Yes, a pair of Webers were starting to look good...   Jul 24 2024, 06:16 PM
Artfrombama   [quote name='ClayPerrine' post='3158232' date='Ju...   Jul 24 2024, 07:48 PM
JeffBowlsby   A pin-out diagram would be helpful in eliminatin...   Jul 25 2024, 07:23 AM
ClayPerrine   A pin-out diagram would be helpful in eliminatin...   Jul 25 2024, 10:04 AM
JeffBowlsby   The factory service bulletin to address fuel vapor...   Jul 24 2024, 06:00 PM
Superhawk996   The temp sensor in the head - TS2, commonly called...   Jul 24 2024, 09:54 PM
Artfrombama   The temp sensor in the head - TS2, commonly calle...   Jul 25 2024, 08:29 PM
wonkipop   CHT test for the L jet from factory manual. tricky...   Jul 24 2024, 11:42 PM
ClayPerrine   The L-Jet wiring is now more than 50 years old, an...   Jul 25 2024, 05:41 AM
wonkipop   @ArtfromBama ah yeah, thats probably right for t...   Jul 25 2024, 08:45 PM
Artfrombama   @[url=http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?show...   Jul 25 2024, 09:04 PM
JeffBowlsby   The original L-Jet dual cantilever spring (4 prong...   Jul 25 2024, 10:05 PM
StarBear   I love happy endings! :D   Aug 7 2024, 05:30 AM


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