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> FI Plenum Design, MS'ing my 2270
Tom Perso
post Feb 1 2005, 07:41 AM
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Hey Guys,

I am designing a MS system for my 2270 (163.86b cam, 48x38 valves, future Triad header). I am looking at running stock intake runners and possibly making a new plenum to run my Ford TB (probably from a 4.0L Exploder/Ranger).

Are there any "design guidelines" that should be followed when making a new plenum, such as a certian volume required for engine displacement?

Looking at space requirements, I see running the TB on top of the plenum is the only way to go. That, of course - begs the question... Is the stock 914 2.0L plenum a good starting point to modify to allow for the Ford TB?

Here are some pics for reference... I had a Bus 2.0L intake system to borrow, so I am basing my measurements and ideas off of that.

http://www.qtm.net/~persot/MS/

Any ideas, suggestions, etc, are appreciated!

Thanks,
Tom
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post Feb 1 2005, 09:20 AM
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SDS has an option for locking in a fuel value at a certain throttle position. I did this for while but gave up on it because as soon as you opened the throttle and moved off the locked value, it would revert to the MAP signal and cause a sharp jump in the fuel value. This made low speed driveability poor. If you need to have a very different idle fuel amount than is given by the proper tuning of the MAP signal, you will have this jumpy condition.

SDS is not good for low speed driveabilty with engines that have low idle vac (like my 2.2E). I think the 2D map like mega has is a better solution for these engines. You will notice that almost all of SDS projects posted are turbo engines. I am still running SDS and it works pretty well, but I would like to change to mega at some point. The SDS is so easy to tune that I am not looking forward to losing that. I would have to piggyback the mega onto my SDS crankfire system I think. I have not looked at what is involved in using the mega ignition.
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Tom Perso   FI Plenum Design   Feb 1 2005, 07:41 AM
DNHunt   Tom I haven't really run my car enough to tel...   Feb 1 2005, 08:05 AM
maf914   Tom, Didn't Shad Laws build a plenum for a la...   Feb 1 2005, 08:19 AM
Jake Raby   With the cam that I set Dave up with, his plenum h...   Feb 1 2005, 08:21 AM
Tom Perso   Lots of good replies - thanks! I have seen Sh...   Feb 1 2005, 08:35 AM
DNHunt   Tom Don't give up on this. I believe there i...   Feb 1 2005, 08:46 AM
Tom Perso   I heard that running a new-unused fuel filter inli...   Feb 1 2005, 08:52 AM
914efi   SDS has an option for locking in a fuel value at a...   Feb 1 2005, 09:20 AM
Jake Raby   There may be ways to help the situation at idle, b...   Feb 1 2005, 09:21 AM
Tom Perso   ...   Feb 1 2005, 09:30 AM
Jake Raby   AThe idle is also inconsistent with an early openi...   Feb 1 2005, 09:53 AM
Tom Perso   Well, I've got the Mallory, so I can dink with...   Feb 1 2005, 10:11 AM
Brett W   Tom I will have to agree with Jake on this one. T...   Feb 1 2005, 12:00 PM
Reiche     Feb 1 2005, 04:13 PM
DNHunt   I think a more accurate statement is I got it to r...   Feb 1 2005, 04:56 PM
Brett W     Feb 1 2005, 06:56 PM
SirAndy   ...   Feb 1 2005, 07:24 PM
jwalters   http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/e...   Feb 1 2005, 07:36 PM
Reiche     Feb 2 2005, 08:42 PM
SirAndy     Feb 3 2005, 12:17 PM
Tom Perso   Bringing this post back to life.... Any thoughts ...   Feb 3 2005, 04:29 PM
Bleyseng   For starters, lay a 1 gallon paint thinner can on ...   Feb 3 2005, 08:07 PM
TimT   Try to make a plenum along the line of this one. ...   Feb 3 2005, 08:22 PM
TimT   nuther   Feb 3 2005, 08:23 PM
Brett W   Tim, if you would be so kind as to take a tape mea...   Feb 3 2005, 11:10 PM
Bleyseng   Brett, What are the valve sizes of that motor?   Feb 3 2005, 11:28 PM
Brett W  
  Feb 3 2005, 11:41 PM
Brett W   My SOHC 1.6 has 29mm intakes and 25mm exhaust. No...   Feb 3 2005, 11:44 PM
Reiche     Feb 4 2005, 02:19 AM
Tom Perso   <...   Feb 4 2005, 06:01 AM
Brett W  
  Feb 4 2005, 08:16 AM
Mark Henry   Not VW/Porsche but some tips on building a plenum ...   Feb 4 2005, 07:59 PM
Bleyseng   I just think that a inline 4 plenum design doesnt ...   Feb 5 2005, 12:15 AM
Reiche     Feb 5 2005, 12:41 AM
airsix     Feb 5 2005, 01:20 AM
Brett W   Turbo plenums are different. If you are going to ...   Feb 5 2005, 01:56 AM
cnavarro   Tom, I still have the original plenum that we fabr...   Feb 5 2005, 07:37 AM
Mark Henry   I'd like to see that too Charles....I'm st...   Feb 5 2005, 09:56 AM
TimT  
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Mark Henry   Holy fuch! http://www.914world....   Feb 5 2005, 08:38 PM
Brett W   Thanks Tim, I knew it was big but not that big.   Feb 5 2005, 09:21 PM


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