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rjames
post Sep 4 2024, 12:28 AM
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After getting the newly rebuilt front suspension buttoned up, I thought I was done, but I can't seem to remove a bit of play in both of the front wheels. Feels exactly like loose wheel bearings, except that it's not. I installed new wheel bearings in the rotors even though the old ones looked fine since I was in there anyway. Spindles looked fine, too.
I verified no movement in the strut, and I can't feel any movement anywhere else on the strut assembly (ball joint, tie rods, control arm etc.). Over tightening the bearings only helped a tiny bit, (I didn't drive on the overtightened bearing, just did it to see if it removed the play).

I've done my front bearings before and didn't run into this issue. I guess I'm left with removing the rotors, but don't even know what to look for.

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post Sep 6 2024, 08:32 AM
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No play in steering wheel.

No extra clearance between strut rods and the top body mount. (That was a thought before I knew how they we’re supposed to be seated.)

Gland nut- I don’t think I feel movement there. I do know that I tightened them to spec on the bench.

I started to wonder if maybe I left some paint on the surface of where the ball joints sit on the control arm, but I don’t feel any movement there.

I don’t feel movement in the (new) tie rod joint.

Inner and outer races are fully seated.
I measured bearings and spindles and they are within .10 of each other. The old bearings were good too. They were in good shape so I tried installing them for grins and there was no discernible change. New ones went back in.

I'm going to try and get it up in the air with weight on the tires so I can get further under the car while recreating the noise/movement. Hoping that maybe it's in fact the gland nuts, but I don't think it is.
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post Sep 6 2024, 12:16 PM
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QUOTE(rjames @ Sep 6 2024, 10:32 AM) *


I measured bearings and spindles and they are within .10 of each other. The old bearings were good too. They were in good shape so I tried installing them for grins and there was no discernible change. New ones went back in.


Decimal places matter. I think this is typo. Did you mean 0.010” or less between spindle OD and bearing ID? 0.010” is quite a bit. I’d think it would probably be less than half of that but don’t have parts in front of me to measure and suspect Bruce isn’t terribly far off either. 0.002” of clearance is a slip fit.

I think you’re saying old and new were basically the same?
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rjames   front wheel movement   Sep 4 2024, 12:28 AM
barefoot   After getting the newly rebuilt front suspension ...   Sep 4 2024, 04:54 AM
dax1969   The rubber steering coupler worn out ? krgds Dax   Sep 4 2024, 06:30 AM
mepstein   Tie rods, ball joints, loose gland nut on top of s...   Sep 4 2024, 07:06 AM
arbitrary   Worn spindles? Check them with a micrometer.   Sep 4 2024, 07:28 AM
rjames   Worn spindles? Check them with a micrometer. Wh...   Sep 4 2024, 07:49 AM
bdstone914   Worn spindles? Check them with a micrometer. W...   Sep 4 2024, 07:58 AM
rjames   [quote name='rjames' post='3165448' date='Sep 4 2...   Sep 4 2024, 08:04 AM
bdstone914   Worn spindles? Check them with a micrometer. W...   Sep 4 2024, 12:45 PM
dr914@autoatlanta.com   if in the wheel tightness only I totally agree ...   Sep 4 2024, 08:55 AM
76-914   With the crap quality we see todayI wouldn't s...   Sep 4 2024, 08:13 AM
brant   Check the gland nut that holds the insert in the s...   Sep 4 2024, 08:32 AM
rjames   Check the gland nut that holds the insert in the ...   Sep 4 2024, 08:53 AM
rjames   If it ends up being the spindles, is it safe to ru...   Sep 4 2024, 09:04 AM
rjames   Took the rotors off on both sides. All looks to be...   Sep 6 2024, 12:46 AM
Geezer914   When you say play in the wheels, is it play in the...   Sep 6 2024, 04:12 AM
Superhawk996   Did you measure spindles & Bearings? The fac...   Sep 6 2024, 07:13 AM
rjames   No play in steering wheel. No extra clearance be...   Sep 6 2024, 08:32 AM
Superhawk996   I measured bearings and spindles and they are wi...   Sep 6 2024, 12:16 PM
Superhawk996   What did you use for lower control arm bushings ru...   Sep 6 2024, 12:20 PM
rjames   What did you use for lower control arm bushings r...   Sep 6 2024, 01:16 PM
Superhawk996   Way back when you were having the issues with the ...   Sep 6 2024, 01:24 PM
rjames   Way back when you were having the issues with the...   Sep 6 2024, 01:33 PM
Superhawk996   I can always pull the whole thing out later. G...   Sep 6 2024, 03:07 PM
rjames   [quote name='rjames' post='3165920' date='Sep 6 2...   Sep 6 2024, 04:25 PM
rjames   It’s not the gland nut. :headbang: :headbang:...   Sep 6 2024, 06:23 PM
Superhawk996   It’s not that it’s unsafe per se; just likely ...   Sep 6 2024, 06:34 PM
Superhawk996   Before you jump to conclusion that it’s the spin...   Sep 6 2024, 06:40 PM
mepstein   I’m no expert but I’m guessing any movement is...   Sep 6 2024, 06:42 PM
rjames   I don’t have a micrometer, only calipers, so my ...   Sep 6 2024, 07:10 PM
Superhawk996   Yeah - understand the frustration. There are time...   Sep 6 2024, 07:22 PM
rjames   Yeah - understand the frustration. There are tim...   Sep 6 2024, 07:27 PM
bkrantz   I know it's cheating but if the "free pla...   Sep 6 2024, 07:28 PM
Superhawk996   I know it's cheating but if the "free pl...   Sep 6 2024, 07:33 PM
Superhawk996   A micrometer doesn’t have to be stupid expensive...   Sep 6 2024, 07:32 PM
rjames   Thanks for the link to the micrometer.. I’m in ...   Sep 6 2024, 09:48 PM
Superhawk996   Thanks for the link to the micrometer.. I’m in...   Sep 6 2024, 10:25 PM
Artfrombama   Check the bearing journals vertically and then at ...   Sep 6 2024, 11:08 PM
rjames   Check the bearing journals vertically and then at...   Sep 7 2024, 12:06 AM
rjames   Feeling stupid for not noticing this before. Blami...   Sep 7 2024, 10:03 AM
Artfrombama   Feeling stupid for not noticing this before. Blam...   Sep 7 2024, 10:25 AM
technicalninja   That doesn't look ruined to me. Clean that up...   Sep 7 2024, 10:35 AM
Superhawk996   Yup that would do it. Looks to me like bearing t...   Sep 7 2024, 10:37 AM
sixnotfour   Now you know fresh bearings and grease,,Dirve On,,...   Sep 7 2024, 12:28 PM
rjames   They were definitely packed well with grease. That...   Sep 7 2024, 02:00 PM
Artfrombama   They were definitely packed well with grease. Tha...   Sep 7 2024, 05:19 PM
rjames   Maybe others should check their bearings… I’...   Sep 7 2024, 06:55 PM
Superhawk996   Maybe others should check their bearings… I...   Sep 7 2024, 11:35 PM
rjames   @Superhawk996 thanks for posting that. It's...   Sep 9 2024, 09:17 AM
Superhawk996   [b]@[url=http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?s...   Sep 9 2024, 10:07 AM
mepstein   You never over tighten bearings. You can permanent...   Sep 7 2024, 07:51 PM
rjames   You never over tighten bearings. You can permanen...   Sep 7 2024, 09:29 PM
mepstein   You never over tighten bearings. You can permane...   Sep 7 2024, 09:33 PM


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