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> Battery Voltage Low - most likely culprit?, Does not start well when warm
Chaznaster
post Aug 29 2024, 07:23 PM
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Hi All.

I am having a trouble starting my carbureted 1.8 when the engine is up to temperature (heads at 310 degrees for over 30min). The engine is definitely turns over and the starter engages.

The car starts immediately when cool/ cold. It is also fine when I let it cool after being hot.

My battery seems to have settled out at about 12.2V. Per the Google, that equates to 60% useful charge. That is definitely a problem.

My theory on the non-hot start is that, as copper wire resistance increases with increasing temperature (also something learned on Google), it is just not getting enough current to the coil when hot. Cold wires = lower resistance = better current flow, and so, even with the marginal battery, it gets enough juice to start.

Now on to why the battery is running low. At warmed-up idle speed (800-900 RPM), the multimeter only reads 12.3. That is most certainly the cause of the low voltage.

I'd very much like your input as to whether this is likely caused by a voltage regulator problem or an alternator problem (or both).

EDIT: It will always start with a push start ...

Many thanks!
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post Sep 9 2024, 05:44 PM
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Starts fine when cold? When it’s hot it still spins up, just won’t catch? Have you considered hot fuel? When you are starting when hot, are you touching the gas pedal? My car (Webers) stumbles at startup when hot. 3 pedal pumps then feathering the pedal. You have to get those throttle plates open. Things calm down when the carbs are full of fresh tank fuel. Actually it’s only a few seconds. Are you using phenolic spacers/gaskets on the intake bases? I thought the voltage numbers were more about what the ‘brain’ needed to function.
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Starts fine when cold? When it’s hot it still spins up, just won’t catch? Have you considered hot fuel? When you are starting when hot, are you touching the gas pedal? My car (Webers) stumbles at startup when hot. 3 pedal pumps then feathering the pedal. You have to get those throttle plates open. Things calm down when the carbs are full of fresh tank fuel. Actually it’s only a few seconds. Are you using phenolic spacers/gaskets on the intake bases? I thought the voltage numbers were more about what the ‘brain’ needed to function.


It starts great cold and most of the time hot. I have a single, central Weber 32/36. It is not over the heads so should not get excessively hot. I am running the spacers, as well, just in case. I usually give it a single pump on the throttle to reset to fast idle. When it does start it comes right to life.
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Chaznaster   Battery Voltage Low - most likely culprit?   Aug 29 2024, 07:23 PM
fixer34   Hi All. I am having a trouble starting my carbur...   Aug 29 2024, 08:17 PM
emerygt350   I am a fan of the adjustable digital voltage regul...   Aug 30 2024, 05:00 AM
914Sixer   Often missed item is the alternator wiring harness...   Aug 30 2024, 06:22 AM
brant   You have adequate voltage to turn the starter You ...   Aug 30 2024, 06:31 AM
930cabman   Hi All. I am having a trouble starting my carbur...   Aug 30 2024, 01:33 PM
Chaznaster   Thanks everyone - this is all really helpful and g...   Aug 30 2024, 06:42 PM
emerygt350   Thanks everyone - this is all really helpful and ...   Aug 31 2024, 05:23 AM
Superhawk996   EDIT: It will always start with a push start .....   Aug 31 2024, 06:23 AM
davep   Use a decent battery charger to bring the battery ...   Aug 31 2024, 03:28 PM
Spoke   At warmed-up idle speed (800-900 RPM), the multim...   Aug 31 2024, 04:42 PM
Chaznaster   Tons of great ideas here - thank you all. I'll...   Sep 2 2024, 06:24 AM
930cabman   Tons of great ideas here - thank you all. I'l...   Sep 2 2024, 07:09 AM
Spoke   In the meantime, by checking the alternator harne...   Sep 2 2024, 07:16 PM
Dave_Darling   The engine needs three things to run: Fuel, Air, ...   Sep 3 2024, 05:30 PM
Chaznaster   I am back with some data ... Battery after full c...   Sep 4 2024, 05:16 PM
Spoke   I am back with some data ... Battery after full ...   Sep 6 2024, 08:00 PM
Chaznaster   Giving it some thought, I would probably conclude ...   Sep 6 2024, 06:15 PM
emerygt350   Replacing the VR is so easy and cheap, it might as...   Sep 6 2024, 06:33 PM
Superhawk996   Replacing the VR is so easy and cheap, it might a...   Sep 6 2024, 07:14 PM
Chaznaster   I got back to the car today and retook measurement...   Sep 9 2024, 04:51 PM
Spoke   I got back to the car today and retook measuremen...   Sep 9 2024, 07:55 PM
Chaznaster   [quote name='Chaznaster' post='3166552' date='Sep...   Sep 10 2024, 06:13 PM
Spoke   When I go from 1400 to 850 D+ does go back to 0.6...   Sep 11 2024, 06:53 AM
Chaznaster   When I go from 1400 to 850 D+ does go back to 0....   Sep 12 2024, 04:38 PM
rhodyguy   Starts fine when cold? When it’s hot it still sp...   Sep 9 2024, 05:44 PM
Chaznaster   Starts fine when cold? When it’s hot it still s...   Sep 10 2024, 06:11 PM
emerygt350   You want 13.5 at idle. After I switched to a mode...   Sep 9 2024, 05:50 PM
iankarr   Just dealt with this on my green car. Replaced the...   Sep 10 2024, 11:52 PM
Chaznaster   Just dealt with this on my green car. Replaced th...   Sep 12 2024, 04:37 PM
Chaznaster   So ... I feel a bit foolish about this ... the cau...   Sep 17 2024, 02:48 PM
emerygt350   So ... I feel a bit foolish about this ... the ca...   Sep 18 2024, 01:16 PM


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