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> Leaded or unleaded - That's the question, Need advice on which type of fuel to use..
reineg
post Sep 16 2024, 06:31 AM
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Hi there, Laymen and Experts alike!

I have recently acquired a 914/4-70 with a newly built engine. Up to 2.2litre and some extra horses to boot. But now to the question:
The car has got new cylinders and pistons from Pelican Parts, but I do not know much more about the engine. So do you guys (and gals) reckon it would be safer to use modern fuel and add lead, or shall I just go for modern fuel and not add lead?

What is most detrimental to the engine; to add lead to an engine that doesn't need it, or not to add lead to an engine that requires it?

Appreciate any and all thoughts on this..
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post Sep 16 2024, 06:57 PM
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QUOTE(reineg @ Sep 16 2024, 06:31 AM) *

Hi there, Laymen and Experts alike!

I have recently acquired a 914/4-70 with a newly built engine. Up to 2.2litre and some extra horses to boot. But now to the question:
The car has got new cylinders and pistons from Pelican Parts, but I do not know much more about the engine. So do you guys (and gals) reckon it would be safer to use modern fuel and add lead, or shall I just go for modern fuel and not add lead?

What is most detrimental to the engine; to add lead to an engine that doesn't need it, or not to add lead to an engine that requires it?

Appreciate any and all thoughts on this..


here is my take.
lead was in fuel ostensibly to prevent engine knocking. pre detonation.
it came about when manufacturers starting producing higher compression engines in the post war years.
if i am not mistaken earlier low compression engines in say the 40s, 50s and even early 60s did not need leaded fuel.
this was certainly the case in australia.
back in the 60s and 70s there were two fuels.
standard and super.
older cars with lower compression engines ran on standard.
it was lower octane and did not necessarily need or contain lead additive.
super certainly had it. in addition to being higher octane.

there is also a view that the lead additive in some way lubricated the valves or valve seats. but i think thats more of a misunderstanding.
by preventing pre detonation you got less wear on the back of the exhaust valves.

vw engines (and 914 engines) were already engineered a bit more sturdier when it came to the valve train due to being air cooled. at least that is what i have always been led to believe.

the octane requirements for the earlier engines and all the european versions is to do with the higher compression. the problem with early unleaded fuel when first introduced was they could only produce it with lower octane ratings. so they had to lower the compression ratios in the US cars. thats basically all they did with the US market cars from 73 on. lowered the CR. and of course. lowered the power.

but by the time we get to the 90s the fuel companies had formulated higher octane rated unleaded. so CR went up again.

i believe a european spec 914 with the higher compression ratios is fine to run on unleaded so long as you have the correct octane rating.
you want to avoid pre detonation is all.

remark by other poster regarding ethanol percentage formulated fuel is spot on.
you want to avoid ethanol added fuel if at all possible.
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reineg   Leaded or unleaded - That's the question   Sep 16 2024, 06:31 AM
VaccaRabite   No one in the states adds lead. You should be per...   Sep 16 2024, 06:37 AM
reineg   No one in the states adds lead. You should be pe...   Sep 16 2024, 06:45 AM
914Sixer   NON ethanol gas is my preferred choice. Burns cle...   Sep 16 2024, 07:51 AM
reineg   NON ethanol gas is my preferred choice. Burns cl...   Sep 16 2024, 08:54 AM
GregAmy   I can't imagine any heads rebuilt in the last ...   Sep 16 2024, 08:01 AM
930cabman   I can't imagine any heads rebuilt in the last...   Sep 16 2024, 08:11 AM
GregAmy   Ouch, what happened to this main jet/holder? Proba...   Sep 16 2024, 08:34 AM
dr914@autoatlanta.com   regular unleaded is just fine Hi there, Laymen...   Sep 16 2024, 12:02 PM
Jamie   I switched my stock 1.7L over 2 yrs. ago to non-et...   Sep 16 2024, 12:29 PM
wonkipop   Hi there, Laymen and Experts alike! I have r...   Sep 16 2024, 06:57 PM
Superhawk996   but by the time we get to the 90s the fuel comp...   Sep 16 2024, 07:23 PM
wonkipop   but by the time we get to the 90s the fuel com...   Sep 16 2024, 09:37 PM
bkrantz   But the challenge the OP has with a modified 2.2 l...   Sep 16 2024, 09:31 PM
wonkipop   But the challenge the OP has with a modified 2.2 ...   Sep 16 2024, 09:40 PM
Dave_Darling   probably needs highest octane unleaded available....   Sep 17 2024, 03:42 PM
wonkipop   probably needs highest octane unleaded available...   Sep 17 2024, 04:12 PM
reineg   Seems you all agree on running unleaded, and I wil...   Sep 17 2024, 12:51 AM
technicalninja   Is leaded gas or real lead additives available in ...   Sep 17 2024, 07:54 AM
wonkipop   Is leaded gas or real lead additives available in...   Sep 17 2024, 04:17 PM
reineg   Is leaded gas or real lead additives available in...   Sep 18 2024, 12:25 AM
brant   The lubrication of lead is real Some motors had to...   Sep 17 2024, 04:28 PM
wonkipop   The lubrication of lead is real Some motors had t...   Sep 17 2024, 05:27 PM
reineg   The lubrication of lead is real Some motors had t...   Sep 18 2024, 12:27 AM


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