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mwizard1
post Sep 12 2024, 01:09 PM
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Does anyone know of kit to center the steering wheel on the seat?
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post Sep 19 2024, 01:10 PM
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if i am not horribly mistaken the purpose of "fly by wire" forerunner to any xxx by wire system was to "fly the unflyable".

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a 914 ain't exactly like trying to drive the undriveable.


you might just end up with deliciously numb feel that both audi and toyota have been able to create with variable electric power steering. where you ask yourself as you are driving, is this car really a brick travelling down the road disconnected to a thing which is like a circular grab handle in front of where i am sitting - and since i feel like a passenger why have i got a steering wheel at all?

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i like all those pedal layout diagrams posted above.
enough to make me have nightmares remembering the torment of converting to right hand drive. thankfully i sleep at night these days.
note how the clutch pedal is never a variable.
wise people have perfected those layouts.
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post Sep 19 2024, 06:54 PM
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QUOTE(wonkipop @ Sep 19 2024, 12:10 PM) *

if i am not horribly mistaken the purpose of "fly by wire" forerunner to any xxx by wire system was to "fly the unflyable".

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a 914 ain't exactly like trying to drive the undriveable.


you might just end up with deliciously numb feel that both audi and toyota have been able to create with variable electric power steering. where you ask yourself as you are driving, is this car really a brick travelling down the road disconnected to a thing which is like a circular grab handle in front of where i am sitting - and since i feel like a passenger why have i got a steering wheel at all?

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i like all those pedal layout diagrams posted above.
enough to make me have nightmares remembering the torment of converting to right hand drive. thankfully i sleep at night these days.
note how the clutch pedal is never a variable.
wise people have perfected those layouts.


Nope, more or less. Servos have been around a looooong time. I've designed several. They're just not as smart as the human brain (of half the human population) to make safe logical decisions. The input matrix is limited as is the decision matrix. It's called optimal array processing. AI is just a bunch of dumb do loops. Driving by wire is fundamentally unsafe when in auto pilot. Driving by wire with a human at the stick is okay if everything is designed well & tested. Third order redundancy is necessary too. Just talk to my old buddies at McDonnell Douglas. Auto pilot only works when the servo doesn't fall out of decision space such that it can't acquire. Limited servo decision space (digital) or dynamic range (analog) is like driving drunk.

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QUOTE(windforfun @ Sep 19 2024, 06:54 PM) *

QUOTE(wonkipop @ Sep 19 2024, 12:10 PM) *

if i am not horribly mistaken the purpose of "fly by wire" forerunner to any xxx by wire system was to "fly the unflyable".

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a 914 ain't exactly like trying to drive the undriveable.


you might just end up with deliciously numb feel that both audi and toyota have been able to create with variable electric power steering. where you ask yourself as you are driving, is this car really a brick travelling down the road disconnected to a thing which is like a circular grab handle in front of where i am sitting - and since i feel like a passenger why have i got a steering wheel at all?

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i like all those pedal layout diagrams posted above.
enough to make me have nightmares remembering the torment of converting to right hand drive. thankfully i sleep at night these days.
note how the clutch pedal is never a variable.
wise people have perfected those layouts.


Nope, more or less. Servos have been around a looooong time. I've designed several. They're just not as smart as the human brain (of half the human population) to make safe logical decisions. The input matrix is limited as is the decision matrix. It's called optimal array processing. AI is just a bunch of dumb do loops. Driving by wire is fundamentally unsafe when in auto pilot. Driving by wire with a human at the stick is okay if everything is designed well & tested. Third order redundancy is necessary too. Just talk to my old buddies at McDonnell Douglas. Auto pilot only works when the servo doesn't fall out of decision space such that it can't acquire. Limited servo decision space (digital) or dynamic range (analog) is like driving drunk.

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mwizard1   Steering wheel relocate   Sep 12 2024, 01:09 PM
mepstein   There is no kit to do that. Might as well accept t...   Sep 12 2024, 05:24 PM
sixnotfour   There is no kit to do that. Might as well accept ...   Sep 12 2024, 05:30 PM
JmuRiz   To be honest, until I saw an over-head photo, I dr...   Sep 12 2024, 05:38 PM
worn   To be honest, until I saw an over-head photo, I d...   Sep 12 2024, 06:44 PM
mwizard1   To be honest, until I saw an over-head photo, I ...   Sep 13 2024, 09:25 AM
rjames   I first realized the off-centered steering wheel w...   Sep 12 2024, 06:11 PM
mepstein   I never realized it until someone on this site men...   Sep 12 2024, 06:39 PM
dr914@autoatlanta.com   wow picky! Get in a pantera and really feel t...   Sep 13 2024, 09:27 AM
Gatornapper   I drove a Pantera at 165mph in 1971 on Alligator A...   Sep 26 2024, 05:15 AM
Chris914n6   Problem is then the pedals get really skewed. It...   Sep 13 2024, 10:11 AM
930cabman   Does anyone know of kit to center the steering wh...   Sep 13 2024, 11:56 AM
PanelBilly   My arms are offset to match the car after all thes...   Sep 13 2024, 12:14 PM
930cabman   My arms are offset to match the car after all the...   Sep 13 2024, 01:06 PM
wonkipop   My arms are offset to match the car after all th...   Sep 14 2024, 01:49 AM
Superhawk996   even the factory could not reproduce the perfect...   Sep 14 2024, 11:45 AM
wonkipop   even the factory could not reproduce the perfec...   Sep 14 2024, 08:31 PM
GregAmy   I think you just ruined for me...I never even noti...   Sep 13 2024, 12:46 PM
gereed75   From memory ( not recent experience) the early 911...   Sep 14 2024, 12:21 PM
mlindner   And moving the wheel that would put more angle in ...   Sep 15 2024, 11:07 AM
bkrantz   Could be worse. Could be a vintage Italian car, w...   Sep 15 2024, 08:08 PM
mwizard1   So it looks like from what you all are saying that...   Sep 16 2024, 05:58 PM
wonkipop   So it looks like from what you all are saying tha...   Sep 16 2024, 06:20 PM
mepstein   So it looks like from what you all are saying tha...   Sep 16 2024, 06:36 PM
KELTY360   So it looks like from what you all are saying tha...   Sep 16 2024, 08:10 PM
Chris914n6   So it looks like from what you all are saying th...   Sep 17 2024, 04:05 PM
mwizard1   So it looks like from what you all are saying th...   Sep 25 2024, 10:27 AM
windforfun   Does anyone know of kit to center the steering wh...   Sep 16 2024, 06:00 PM
Front yard mechanic   Steer by wire… should be easy   Sep 16 2024, 09:00 PM
930cabman   Steer by wire… should be easy +1, can do this...   Sep 18 2024, 04:27 PM
Superhawk996   Steer by wire… should be easy +1, can do thi...   Sep 18 2024, 06:53 PM
r_towle   While you are in there………..   Sep 18 2024, 04:00 PM
FL000   I never knew about this before - will see how my t...   Sep 18 2024, 04:42 PM
windforfun   I guess you don't clean your windshield. :ro...   Sep 18 2024, 05:46 PM
wonkipop   if i am not horribly mistaken the purpose of ...   Sep 19 2024, 01:10 PM
windforfun   if i am not horribly mistaken the purpose of ...   Sep 19 2024, 06:54 PM
wonkipop   if i am not horribly mistaken the purpose of ...   Sep 19 2024, 07:05 PM
windforfun   I'm pushing seventy & getting forgetful. ...   Sep 19 2024, 08:58 PM
wonkipop   I'm pushing seventy & getting forgetful. ...   Sep 20 2024, 04:20 AM
930cabman   I'm pushing seventy & getting forgetful....   Sep 20 2024, 10:10 AM
Root_Werks   Doing a little searching and haven't found a t...   Sep 25 2024, 11:25 AM
ClayPerrine   I don't think anyone has asked this yet.... ...   Sep 25 2024, 03:04 PM
Chris914n6   ^^ actually you can bend the brake pedal over an i...   Sep 25 2024, 07:52 PM
arbitrary   I seem to recall that Jonny Hart centered the stee...   Sep 27 2024, 07:42 PM
wonkipop   so.............. you reckon a 914 is uncomfortably...   Sep 28 2024, 05:04 AM


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