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DC_neun_vierzehn
post Dec 7 2024, 02:07 PM
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I know there are two different tops (early vs. late).

My question is can an early top work on a late car IF the rubber seals on the sides have been updated (to match the late windows) AND the bump stops have been swapped (to match the late latches)?

The reason I ask is that I have two spare tops (one early and one late). I have them both stripped down (no rubber, no hardware, no felt headliner, etc.). Just the fiberglass top. And I noticed that the early top much lighter. I weighed them and the early top is approx. 17 pounds whereas the late top is approx. 23 pounds.

I'm not looking to shed weight for performance (although that's a bonus), but a lighter top would be less cumbersome to take off and put on the car.

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post Dec 10 2024, 03:08 PM
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I just laid down both naked tops (no hardware, no seals, nothing - just the bare fiberglass. Everything measured the same on the sides - the holes where the screws mounted the rails for the side window seals was identical on both. I'm going to remount the rails to see if those also measure the same.

If they do, then it's just the rubber side window seals and rubber bump stops (and corresponding latches) that materially changed in terms of fitment and therefore they should be able to be swapped if the seals and bump stops (and corresponding latches) were swapped out.
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post Dec 10 2024, 05:19 PM
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QUOTE(DC_neun_vierzehn @ Dec 10 2024, 01:08 PM) *

I just laid down both naked tops (no hardware, no seals, nothing - just the bare fiberglass. Everything measured the same on the sides - the holes where the screws mounted the rails for the side window seals was identical on both. I'm going to remount the rails to see if those also measure the same.

If they do, then it's just the rubber side window seals and rubber bump stops (and corresponding latches) that materially changed in terms of fitment and therefore they should be able to be swapped if the seals and bump stops (and corresponding latches) were swapped out.

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On mine (late top, early doors), i had to modify the seal rail mounts to get the glass to fit against the seal properly.
And that was after adjusting the window angle itself.

And the late seals didn't work either. The extra lip would get stuck on the window.
I had to go back to the early seals without the lip and fine-adjust to get it to seal well-ish.
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post Dec 11 2024, 01:11 AM
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QUOTE(SirAndy @ Dec 10 2024, 04:19 PM) *

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On mine (late top, early doors), i had to modify the seal rail mounts to get the glass to fit against the seal properly.
And that was after adjusting the window angle itself.

And the late seals didn't work either. The extra lip would get stuck on the window.
I had to go back to the early seals without the lip and fine-adjust to get it to seal well-ish.
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I wonder if there are some other variables that got thrown in here? Like an improply repaired/drilled top or something.

In what way did you have to modify the rails?


Also what style rear Targa latches and rubber blocks are you running?
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DC_neun_vierzehn   Question about early vs. late tops   Dec 7 2024, 02:07 PM
930cabman   :popcorn:   Dec 7 2024, 02:52 PM
DC_neun_vierzehn   :popcorn: One of the things I’ve loved about ...   Dec 7 2024, 05:48 PM
Robarabian   That reply was pretty normal actually... someone i...   Dec 7 2024, 06:44 PM
930cabman   :popcorn: One of the things I’ve loved about...   Dec 8 2024, 02:01 PM
DC_neun_vierzehn   [quote name='DC_neun_vierzehn' post='3180689' dat...   Dec 8 2024, 02:45 PM
930cabman   [quote name='DC_neun_vierzehn' post='3180689' da...   Dec 8 2024, 03:36 PM
SirAndy   More than you ever wanted to know. http://www.914w...   Dec 7 2024, 06:19 PM
DC_neun_vierzehn   More than you ever wanted to know. http://www.914...   Dec 7 2024, 06:45 PM
SirAndy   [quote name='SirAndy' post='3180693' date='Dec 7 ...   Dec 7 2024, 08:21 PM
JamesM   Not only are the seals different, the actual mou...   Dec 7 2024, 09:21 PM
SirAndy   Not only are the seals different, the actual mo...   Dec 7 2024, 09:53 PM
JamesM   Not only are the side seals different but the ch...   Dec 8 2024, 08:23 PM
fixer34   FWIW, I did the exact opposite to my '70 over ...   Dec 7 2024, 06:26 PM
JamesM   While there are changes to the roof itself and the...   Dec 7 2024, 07:34 PM
cgnj   @DC_neun_vierzehn I have a 1970 top, a 73 914 wit...   Dec 7 2024, 10:12 PM
DC_neun_vierzehn   @[url=http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?show...   Dec 8 2024, 09:34 AM
DC_neun_vierzehn   I just laid down both naked tops (no hardware, no ...   Dec 10 2024, 03:08 PM
930cabman   I just laid down both naked tops (no hardware, no...   Dec 10 2024, 05:06 PM
SirAndy   I just laid down both naked tops (no hardware, no...   Dec 10 2024, 05:19 PM
JamesM   :idea: On mine (late top, early doors), i had ...   Dec 11 2024, 01:11 AM
Literati914   Not only are the side seals different but the c...   Dec 12 2024, 09:39 AM


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